Posted on 12/06/2012 10:26:35 AM PST by BenLurkin
Movieguide, which reviews films from a Christian perspective, says there are about 40 obscenities in the PG-13 Lincoln, including 10 uses of “goddamn.” Similarly, the Dove Foundation laments that “the language they feature in the film … does not line up with the morals and language of the time period.”
“The historical record is clear that Lincoln definitely did not tolerate profanity around him,” Barton says. “There are records of him confronting military generals if he heard about them cursing. Furthermore, the F-word used by Bilbo was virtually nonexistent in that day and it definitely would not have been used around Lincoln. If Lincoln had heard it, it is certain that he would instantly have delivered a severe rebuke.”
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EXACTLY. They were told as JOKES about the word back in the 60s! That revision of the origin also applies to the modern dictionaries so-called etymological history of the word. While it's definitely Germanic in origin (remember the Angles; Saxons, and Jutes?), it is unlikely that the word came from words meaning “to strike”, etc (it's more probable that those words evolved from the vulgar one!)
F-ck is one of several ancient words (many considered vulgar) that are echoic in origin, another such word is “piss.”
I got my information from a couple of courses on the history of the English language taken at Virginia Tech back in 1975.
I’m a Confederate descendant; parents took me to Shiloh (where my great, great, grandfather fought) several times when I was a kid - back when the Bloody Pond was still blood colored. I wasn’t raised with Lincoln being the sainted hero of history; my grandfather and dad thought that Lincoln could have averted that war and should have.
At this point, I have all I can do to try to survive Hussein’s reign of overbearance without arguing with the Northern Mythology of the War. It’s my hope it will ALL be shouted from the housetops in the next life, including Johnson’s degrading the black family with Daddy Sugar’s Waw on Poverty.
Certainly, not all of my ancestors were perfect ladies and gentlemen.
Some of them were not even vertrebrates.
I noted two things about the language the characters used:
- Lincoln using profanity. Not much, but any at all seemed out of character.
- Black soldiers who were willing to risk seeming impertinent to the POTUS, on the one hand, and who were well-spoken and without southern accent on the other. That struck me as out of character given the backgrounds of the people in question.
In reality, even as late as the 1960s, blacks had enough difference in their backgrounds from whites as to make them seem unintelligent. Affirmative action’s rationale was to transcend that apparent discrepancy. But now, of course, it is simply a racket in which peoples’ rice bowls are entailed. When a black can be elected POTUS, exactly where is the glass ceiling supposed to be??
Lincoln might have sworn, but obviously he wouldn't have been effing and blinding when giving speeches or interacting with the public. As for the black soldiers, they weren't all illiterate former slaves, some where educated free blacks from the North. I doubt most black soldiers would have been well-educated, but no doubt some of them were.
I can see Lincoln using "blast" and "accursed," even "damned" to mean cursed or condemned.
But "g*dd*m" and "sh*t" probably aren't things he said as president (what do I know, though?)
FWIW "Dadgummed" dates only to the 1940s according to the dictionary. "Dadburned" is authentic, going back to the 1820s.
Obama was compared to linclon, so now they’re revising linclon to fit Obama.
linclon?
lol, who is that. Tired posting, sorry about that.
‘Spielberg also has Lincoln “defending” the post modern definition of “justice” that would have been roundly laughed at in the mid 1860’s.
Revisioniost history to protect a socialist agenda.’
It’s both funny and sad how libs always try to rewrite the past to serve whatever events they’re trying to shape in the present. A friend of mine is a former teacher who told me the other day how one student of his tried to argue that the Founding Fathers wanted to legalize and smoke pot.
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