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OT: Best places overseas to work/retire? (Mediterranean vs Argentina/Chile/Brazil/Nicaragua/Panama?)

Posted on 11/08/2012 1:34:19 PM PST by Javeth

Just curious especially to hear from anyone else who’s planning to do this, about the best countries overseas to retire and work in. My wife and I have done pretty well with our import/export business, worked hard and saved up, and are starting to make retirement plans. We’re not much enthused about giving out our hard-earned and saved money, to support the spendthrift socialist incompetence and excesses of Obama and his successors. So we’re looking to retire abroad, and if possible to even continue some of the business overseas in a lower key, part time context.

Our trading is mostly Mediterranean-based, so we were naturally thinking of a retirement home in a place like Italy, Greece, south of France, Spain or Portugal. (Don’t pay attention to all the overwrought headlines out of the liberal MSM in the US about Greece, as long as you work hard and save up, and make yourself reasonably self-sufficient, even Greece is a fine place to work and retire.) One of our sons is established in Holland right now anyway, married to a Dutch lady and speaks very good Dutch and German himself, so we’d have that family connection. (Holland, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Finland, Denmark all have surprisingly active evangelical communities in which many Americans have gotten set up to work, learn the language and raise families, maybe even retire in though don’t know much about that- seems like the fjords in Norway for ex. would be a beautiful place for a retirement home.)

OTOH I've been hearing a lot of good things from old friends about working/retiring in places like Argentina, Panama, Chile, Nicaragua, Brazil, Costa Rica and Uruguay. I've been to Buenos Aires and other parts of Argentina as well as Chile and was pleasantly surprised. Despite the financial issues from the 90’s they’re both very pleasant places, have that welcoming “Old European” feel that you can’t find in the US anymore, plus they tend to leave you alone to do as you will there. Also the cost of living is very low, even on the beaches and seaside locations. I had a brief stopover in Uruguay and seems to have that character, too, same with Itacare and Porta de Galinhas in Brazil IIRC, though not as well-known compared to Argentina and Chile. That’s also why I guess places like Panama, Nicaragua and traditional destinations like Acapulco have been attractive, though so far haven’t visited there personally. My wife and I just haven’t really investigated the retirement or work angle itself yet, so were wondering what others have experienced.

Obviously the standard caveats apply, we’re not looking for perfect paradises and other countries have their own issues and whatever. But almost anywhere would be far better than the PC socialist, grasping incompetence of the Obama and Clinton-led US and whatever comes after. We've already been moving toward renouncing our US passports anyway because of the damage done by the outrageous global taxation scheme in the US, the only one in the world that does that to it's own citizens- the banks in our overseas trading locations want to close our accounts because they can’t deal with the intrusive US paperwork requirements. We’re not about to give another dime to this wasteful, corrupt regime.

So for us and I’m sure millions in our boat, retiring abroad or just working in a lower key environment makes sense. A bonus if the new country really is a pleasant and welcoming land to stay in, as it seems that Argentina, Chile, Panama, Nicaragua and the Mediterranean would without doubt be for us. So we’d be glad to hear from any of you making a similar move.


TOPICS: Gardening; Outdoors; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: abroad; expat; overseas; relocate; retirement; work
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To: Travis McGee
We flew on a beautiful DC-3 Air Liberdad airplane from Huatulco to Oaxaca. Two pilots in blue Nomex jump suits jogged out to the plane and fired up. The engines remained at the same pitch on take off and cruise. When Oaxaca came into view, the pilots cut the engines and we drifted in, coming to a stop right at the terminal.
I think we were doing about 90 mph between the mountain peaks. I think I could have yelled down to some folks on the highway below.
Oaxaca Airport terminal had a thatched roof and onyx floor.
61 posted on 11/08/2012 7:34:05 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Javeth

It’s worse if the country you are expatriating to has a tax treaty with the US. Basically, those countries act as local IRS offices, with even casinos reporting winnings to the IRS just as they do to their local revenue offices.

I cannot strongly caution enough, however, to consider all ramifications of surrendering that citizenship. For all the faults of anything else, the US is still the most powerful international player in the known universe. Giving up those rights and protections is a major, major decision and not at all to be taken lightly or rashly.


62 posted on 11/08/2012 8:16:17 PM PST by DCMacNerd
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That’s an amazing picture you paint. I wish I could have hung around, but it was in and out in a couple hours, off-passport.


63 posted on 11/08/2012 8:38:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Huatulco had one hotel at the time we visited. It was all inclusive with loads of good seafood.
Off in the distance, we could see the lights from a Club Med hotel where it was rumored clothing was “optional.” We never got over to check it out, unfortunately.
64 posted on 11/09/2012 4:30:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Javeth

Val is just north of Santiago and on the coast - gorgeous place and a working port. Lots of sailing. Too bad the Pacific is so freaking cold. I will miss the clear warm atlantic here in FL.


65 posted on 11/09/2012 6:30:56 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: Travis McGee

How’d you get the picture?

Web-cam screen capture?


66 posted on 11/09/2012 6:48:58 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

Was that where you “off-loaded some ballast”?


67 posted on 11/09/2012 6:51:02 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Just before there.


68 posted on 11/09/2012 7:01:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
..a fine sloop, to be sure! :-)

69 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:31 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Travis McGee; All
..a fine sloop, to be sure! ...

70 posted on 11/09/2012 7:08:02 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Fiji Hill; All
a stable republican government and is centrally located.
English is widely spoken, and the Muslim population is small.
and the Muslims; really loved the PORK!..
an friend told me; while visiting there, the Muslims really enjoyed
the pork / booze..and "other attractions" on the island.

w/ due apologies to The CLASH
Now the king told the boogie men
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desert way
Has been shakin' to the top
The sheik he drove his Cadillac
He went a' cruisin' down the ville
The muezzin was a' standing
On the radiator grille
The sharif don't like it

[Chorus/] Rockin' the Casbah
Rock the Casbah
The sharif don't like it
Rockin' the Casbah
Rock the Casbah [/Chorus]

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
With that crazy Casbah sound
But the Bedouin they brought out
The electric camel drum
The local guitar picker
Got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the sharif
Had cleared the square
They began to wail

[Chorus]
Now over at the temple
Oh! They really pack 'em in
The in crowd say it's cool
To dig this chanting thing
But as the wind changed direction
The temple band took five
The crowd caught a whiff
Of that crazy Casbah jive

[Chorus]
The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way

As soon as the sharif was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

As soon as the sharif was
Outta their hair
The jet pilots wailed

[Chorus]
He thinks it's not kosher
Fundamentally he can't take it.
You know he really hates it.

71 posted on 11/09/2012 7:32:02 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: All
ROCK THE CABASH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

72 posted on 11/09/2012 7:39:28 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: corkoman

Talked to an old business partner who’s been living in Valparaiso, confirmation about how splendid the place is. Chile really seems to have many of the ingredients that are best for conservatives and libertarians- a real free market, capitalist focus, hard work, good communities, distinctive European feel and natural beauty. We’re looking seriously now at San Miguel and Panama but especially so at Valparaiso. Might be the ideal place to get set up in.


73 posted on 11/10/2012 1:18:01 AM PST by Javeth
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To: Javeth

“I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin’ bushwackin’, hornswagglin’ cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.” Gabby Johnson


74 posted on 11/10/2012 2:47:28 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: austingirl

I think Argentina, specially south Mendoza has great landcapes and good opportunities for investment. If you would like to find opportunities here, I recommend to contact an advisor (I use services form a friend living here, but his not and advisor...just the voice of 10 years of experience!) and to use an advisor for immigration matter, because sometime you think you could not apply, or try to apply for a wrong type of visa. I’ve used services form emigratetoargentina.com and they gave our visas after a week. We will contract them again for the renewal. Also, take a look to Villa la Angostura...maybe one of the most beautifull places in the world. Good luck!


75 posted on 11/15/2012 8:25:15 AM PST by MaggyLemus (argentina visa residence mendoza san rafael retirement retire)
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