Posted on 11/03/2012 10:09:29 AM PDT by re_tail20
This question has stirred much debate. Historically, Christians have voted for candidates of different faiths, including Mormons, based on how they live their lives and how deeply committed they are to upholding the U.S. Constitution. Remember, God ordained government, and we are not electing a pastor-in-chief, we are electing a commander-in-chief.
George Washington was Episcopalian, Abraham Lincoln had no religious affiliation while he was president, John Kennedy was Catholic and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were outspoken Southern Baptists. Over a period of 223 years, our nation’s cities and states have been governed by people of many different faiths, including Mormons from both the Democratic and Republican parties.
Orrin Hatch, a Mormon, has served this nation as an effective senator and George Romney, Gov. Mitt Romney’s father, was one of the great governors of Michigan. His religion never interfered with governing, but his personal faith did define his strong marriage, family values and personal integrity. I believe this is the same for Gov. Mitt Romney. While there are major differences in the theology of evangelical Christians and that of Mormons, as well as those who practice the Catholic faith or the Jewish faith, we do share common values that are biblically based.
Americans must remember that while our nation was founded upon godly principles, we do not have a state religion. Rather, our Constitution provides for the freedom to worship without interference of government. Our forefathers shed their blood to win this right. We must be committed to electing a commander-in-chief who will protect this liberty and uphold the Constitution as one nation under God, and who will ensure God’s moral law will not be violated by changing the law of the land.
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Yes and I will do so gladly.
Respectfully disagree. Another point, Romney is not running as a Mormon on a Mormon ticket. To hold your vote because you are anti-mormon is to cast a vote for an anti-Christ muslim who pushes and anti-American, anti-Christian agenda. Vote for Romney because he shares many if not all of your Christian values and is truly an American Patriot. If you knew one thing about the Mormon Church you’d know that Mormons do honestly believe that American is a special place. Mormon doctrine teaches that to be a good, freedom loving American is to be a good Mormon.
If not the honest moral Mormon, it’ll be the lying hyycritical sleazy Muslim.
From what I’ve experienced, there are independent religions that are heavy on conceit and self-forgiveness and very light on Virtue. They call themselves “christian,” as they define the term for themselves. And boy, do they love to claim they are right and others are wrong!
Maybe they are right and I’m wrong. Maybe God wants us to judge others without proof of right or wrong. Maybe self-righteous pride is a good thing? Maybe the Ten Commandments are just suggestions because of blanket forgiveness?
Wait. I’m acting like them. I’m being judgmental!
Wow! I’ve got to read those articles. Please post them. Seriously!
Not voting for the Mormon at this point is a definite vote for the Muslim.
Mormon’s won’t slit your throat if you refuse to convert. Muslims will.
“Offensive?? We live in a nation where people are too easily offended. The word has no meaning anymore since it now means little more than “I disagree with you””
Take it up with God, who promises to send false prophets and the devil to burn eternally in the lake of fire, on whether or not comparing Mormonism, Baha’i, Scientology and other religious cults to Christianity is offensive or not. I don’t think God will be doing that because He wasn’t offended.
“Even if your allegations were true,”
My allegations are true and were a common point of discussion on this forum up until shortly after the nomination. But, out of sight, out of mind.
we’re voting for a president, not a religious leader
“2) If you think voting for zero will help the GOP to nominate true conservatives, you’re wrong and are merely trolling.”
I don’t think that, and I would appreciate it if you stopped lying about my arguments and motivations. If you want to believe that Mormonism is comparable to Christianity, that’s fine. If you want to make Romney out to be a conservative, that’s fine. But don’t pretend that my disagreement on that means I am supporting Obama.
“Something tells me you don’t read the Bible but it’s a convenient way to bash Romney.”
Something tells me you don’t read the Bible, but it is a convenient way to praise Romney, which is why people keep comparing Mormonism to Christianity and claiming it is in fact Christian.
“3) Another term for zero is going to impact more than the evangelicals, after what he’s manage to do in only four years, the thought of him having another term is horrible.”
To be honest, the thought of 4 years, or possibly even 8 years, of “conservatives” fawning over Romney and proclaiming that Mormonism is Christian is downright horrible.
“1) Something tells me you don’t have conservative principles anyway.”
Tell that to yourself and Romney who is running on the Obama-lite platform. He even boasted during the primaries he was going to cut taxes on the “1 percent,” but now is fighting over Obama about who is more moderate and progressive. Romney’s central argument is that he likes big government but thinks he can do it more efficiently with the same “free-market” principles that allegedly inspired RomneyCare.
It always fascinates me to see how many “psychics” we have on FR. You just know to a certainty that anyone not supporting Romney due his Mormonism simply can’t be a real conservative, though their entire posting history, and personal history (if you knew it) would testify to the reality of their conservatism. It is the kind of self-delusion I had long associated with the left, and with some religious cults. But I had thought conservatives were conservative precisely because we were more capable, for whatever reason, of critical thought, of objective analysis, of true tolerance for a rich variety perspectives. Guess I was wrong.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, some true conservatives may truly not be in a position to vote for either R or O without sincerely believing they would be offending God and violating their own conscience?
I think about my dad, my brother, my mother in this regard. They are all passed on to eternity. But they were American Christians as they were half a century ago. I was raised by them to put God and His word above every other consideration in making a decision. No, I didn’t always live up to that ideal, being a sinner. But it was the ideal held up for me and my siblings. And I can tell you most sincerely, my parents would never vote for either a Marxist, a Muslim, or a Mormon, as it was impossible for them to see how God, who is a jealous God, would approve of turning for help to a known enemy of God. It would have been an unconscionable betrayal of the faith.
And we had specific experience with Mormon “irregularities” that were to us clear deviations from Christian moral principles. While visiting a friend in Utah, my own mother, as my father’s bride, was approached by a Mormon young man and asked her maiden name. She found out later he did so to steal her from my “infidel” father, in terms of the afterlife, to include her in his celestial harem.
Do you really think any good conservative Christian, after that, and after learning of the Mormon rejection of the biblical doctrine of Christ, could be dragged into supporting such a person for political office, with all the trust and influence that entails? I can tell you with confidence my parents’ position would be the same as mine. This is simply who we are, who many Christians were, some 50 years ago. The Biblical teaching would forbid it, and no threat of dire consequences would have been sufficient to overcome that resistance. Fifty years ago, Mitt Romney would not have won in the primaries, let alone the general.
Bottom line, don’t blame us old-schoolers for being who we always were. It’s those around us who have changed. Unlike Romney, we would never allow any innocent unborn child to die, no matter the reason for their coming into being. Unlike Romney, we would never have even contemplated giving aid to the gay marriage movement. Unthinkable to us. Unlike Romney, we would never have constructed a health care system that deprived people of their basic freedoms, including freedom of conscience for health workers opposed to abortion (I was personally involved in that situation, after Mitt’s alleged conversion on the life issue).
And unlike Romney and his cheerleading squad here, we would never knowingly or willingly empower any politician who thinks he is a god. To us old timers, and really to anyone taking Mormon theology at face value, that would look too much like we were enthroning antichrist, who as Paul predicted would indeed have a god complex. Again, it is beyond us. We could not go there. We cannot go there now. We are sorry the choice is so hard, we are sorry for the difficulty this presents to good people who want to do the right thing. But we have no choice. This is where we have to stand. There simply isn’t anything else we can do.
Peace,
SR
>>Take it up with God, who promises to send false prophets and the devil to burn eternally in the lake of fire, on whether or not comparing Mormonism, Baha’i, Scientology and other religious cults to Christianity is offensive or not. I don’t think God will be doing that because He wasn’t offended.
What are your qualifications to be the High Priest of Christianity? Oh wait...we already have a High Priest, don’t we? And anyone who comes to Him will be saved, regardless of whatever crazy stuff we choose to tack on to the origin of God (who is so far above us that we can’t possibly know His origin or even His nature). Your constant comparing of the LDS church to Bahai and Scientology are silly since the latter two do not profess anything about Jesus as savior. Those two are not even nominally Christian.
"If Bible-believing "evangelical" Christians in Cuba had had the opportunity to vote between Batiste and Castro, what should have been their proper choice ?" This is considering that BOTH were evil men.
I asked them, "Which one would have been more likely to permit the entrance of Christian missionaries, and which one would have more likely to have allowed the propagation of the Gospel and Biblical Truth ?"
In fact, there were missionaries operating freely under Batiste.
So, to clarify your clarification, you're not voting?
Good for you both! Yes for this Baptist and Catholic (long story) will vote for Romney/Ryan as well.
What is right for this Nation is the task at hand!
If you want to believe that Mormonism is comparable to Christianity, that’s fine.
Yet in the very next sentence you do the exact thing to me.
I, in no way compare Christianity to Mormonism. Their doctrine of 'as Man is, God was and as God is, man can become is', to put it kindly, blasphemy.
Something tells me you don’t read the Bible, but it is a convenient way to praise Romney, which is why people keep comparing Mormonism to Christianity and claiming it is in fact Christian.
Where have a I praised Romney on his religion??? I don't for a second believe that Mormonism is in any way comparable to Christianity. Sure, they have Jesus and God but they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers and that if a Mormon follows all the tenants of their religion, they will be awarded a planet that they are a God over. In all my years of reading the Bible, nowhere is this ever suggested.
To be honest, the thought of 4 years, or possibly even 8 years, of “conservatives” fawning over Romney and proclaiming that Mormonism is Christian is downright horrible.
I'd like to see some links that support this allegation that conservatives are fawning over Romney. Are you saying you only vote for candidates that support your ideas 100%? So, you must not have found a comparable candidate since you were able to vote.
Tell that to yourself and Romney who is running on the Obama-lite platform. He even boasted during the primaries he was going to cut taxes on the “1 percent,” but now is fighting over Obama about who is more moderate and progressive. Romney’s central argument is that he likes big government but thinks he can do it more efficiently with the same “free-market” principles that allegedly inspired RomneyCare.
So, again, who are you voting for? Is it zero, why won't you say who it is, will it out your trolling if you answer truthfully?
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