Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

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[Yosemitest]

Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?
Oct 31, 2012

I say, "No ! He should NOT !"

Yes, I'm serious.
Article III, Section 3 of theU.S. Constitution states:
Treason against the United States shall consist only
in levying War against them,
or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless
on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act,
or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason,
but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
except during the Life of the Person attainted.

According to Cornell University Law School, 18 USC § 2381 - Treason
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them
or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason
and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


Obama, through Amb. Chris Stevens, WAS ARMING the enemy, thus giving them aid and comfort, not within the United States, but elsewhere, and thereby,
the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro)
IS guilty of TREASON !

It's just that plain ... and just that simple !

Now, take a real long look at this picture.



Better yet, watch the video of the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) bowing so deep that it looks like he's putting his head right into King Abdullah's right hand.

My question " Should President Mitt Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ? " demands some serious thought.
Most people would probably say,
" Yes, because the United States doesn't need to be drug through the ugliness of a Senate Trial exposing the 'Top Secret' details of Barack Obama's adhering to the United States' Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. not within the United States, but elsewhere. "
But I disagree. The only way this nation can cleanse itself of this evil, is the admit it, expose it, and punish it.
And a President Romney should take these thought-out actions against our nation just as serious.
Let's look at some of the facts.
Obama Arranged Benghazi Trip That Resulted In Murder Of US AMB Chris Stevens

Arms Flow to Syria May Be Behind Benghazi Cover-Up states:
" During the 2011 Libyan revolt against Muammar Qaddafi, reckless U.S. policy flung American forces and money into the conflict on the side of the rebels, who were known at the time to include Al Qaeda elements. Previously the number two official at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Christopher Stevens was named as the official U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition in March, 2011.

Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means that Stevens was authorized by the U.S. Department of State and the Obama administration to aid and abet individuals and groups that were, at a minimum, allied ideologically with Al Qaeda, the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the homeland on the first 9/11, the one that’s not supposed to exist anymore after the killing of its leader, Osama bin Laden, on May 2, 2011. "
[This article is well worth your time.]

Obama the arms broker to al-Qaeda states [this article is also well worth your time] :
" Now we learn that Ambassador Chris Stevens’s mission in Benghazi on that fatal day was to organize the shipment of arms to the rebel militias in Syria.

And that means: the shipment of arms, by order of the President of the United States, to al-Qaeda,
the terrorist organization which the President himself constantly declares to be the enemy of his country. 


No wonder President Obama, Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the rest of the stoats and weasels have been lying their heads off and trying to put the blame for the whole hideous and tragic episode – for what amounts to an act of war – on somebody’s little video. Scraping the bottom of the excuses-barrel.



The evidence suggests that the Obama administration has not simply been engaging, legitimating, enriching and emboldening Islamists who have now taken over or are ascendant in much of the Middle East.

Starting in March 2011, when American diplomat Christopher Stevens was designated the liaison to the “opposition” in Libya, the Obama administration has been arming them, including jihadists like Abdelhakim Belhadj, the leader of the al Qaeda franchise known as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. "

SOURCES: SLAIN U.S. AMBASSADOR RECRUITED JIHADISTS
Egyptian officials say Stevens worked with Saudis against Assad

Was Syrian weapons shipment factor in ambassador’s Benghazi visit? states:
" Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed …

… On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time.

… the timing and the meeting between the Turkish diplomat and Stevens was "unusual."

According to an initial Sept. 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 400 tons of cargo. …

The cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS. …

… It was reported there was a fight about the weapons and who got what "between the free Syrian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood."

'The point is that both of these weapons systems are extremely accurate and very simple to use,' Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt explained. He said the passage of weapons from Libya to Syria would escalate the conflict. 'With a short amount of instruction, you've got somebody capable of taking down any, any aircraft. Anywhere in the world.' … "




Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria by New York Times

Why Libya Cover-Up: Obama Was Arming Al Qaeda & Islamists

Libya's missing weapons being smuggled into Gaza
Israeli intelligence is increasingly concerned about the quantity of Libyan arms flowing into Gaza.

Clinton asked for more security in Benghazi, Obama said no

How U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked to Jihadist Rebels in Syria (And It Involves Weapons) [Article has many links.]

Ed Klein: Bill Clinton encouraged Hillary to resign in the wake of the Benghazi scandal

Explain this: Ambassador Chris Stevens killed due to lack of security – Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett gets Secret Service

Libyan Officials Claim US Was Warned 3 DAYS BEFORE Deadly Benghazi Consulate Attack

More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments from CNN states:
" Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.

Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.

He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business.

'The situation is frightening, it scares us,' Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.

Mabrouk said it was not the first time he has warned foreigners about the worsening security situation in the face of the growing presence of armed jihadist groups in the Benghazi area. "


Guard at consulate in Libya says attack was coordinated

Egypt intelligence warns of attacks on Israel, US embassies

Blame Obama for Chris Stevens' murder

Backed by Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim Brotherhood gets ready to overthrow U.S.-ally King of Jordan

Obama Bypasses Congress, Gives $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood

ALDRICH: Hillary Clinton’s abominable national security record
History of incompetence and dangerous decisions

Obama not subject to charges of treason?

Benghazi: Symbol of Obama's Leadership

Obama Admits He Is A Muslim

So, let us remember.
Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.
MUSLIMS are allowed to LIE and deceive NON MUSLIMS, if it benefits or protects ISLAM.
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Posted by Atheist


For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!

As retired military myself, I've seen the damage of "keeping secrets" about bad leaders.
Obama is EVIL, pure and simple.
Please watch Glenn Beck with Trevor Loudon & his book "Barack Obama and the Enemies Within".

Then watch the 29 minute 13 seconds video Trevor Loudon- An Urgent (and chilling) Message for America.

Obama may be feigning "incompetence," thinking he's too sly, being a "wolf in sheep's clothing" since his mentoring was from Fabian Fascism..

Romney's an "Establishment Republican" and he will probably want to PARDON the TREASONIST Barackl Hussein Obama II.
But it's better for the country that Obama suffer the penalty, the strongest penalty for his actions, and his inaactions.
Let's look at the Presidential Oaths of Office.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States,
and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Now who among us really believes Obama did any of that ?
To Obama, that was "Just words. Just speeches! "
Damn him ! Damn him to hell !

I'll finish this with asking you to read
‘Obama and the Threat to Israel’: See the ‘Absolutely Uncertain’ Video That’s Gotten 650K Hits in Three Days .
Watch the 18 minute 56 second documentary video "Absolutely Uncertain" at "theBLAZE.com" or on YouTube.com, narrated by Irina, the 23-year-old “Jewish New Yorker” and a former Obama supporter .

[Grampa Dave]

It doesn’t matter what we think.

OboZo and his legion of left wing lawyers will figure out how to remove any threat of jail after he is defeated.

The best thing would be to charge and try him and his cluster of evil for treason after he is no longer president.

Then get conservative lawyers to charge all of them with civil crimes and sue the bastards for the rest of their lives.

[SVTCobra03]

If 0bama cannot pardon himself, he will resign just before Mitt takes the Oath of Office and have Biden pardon him.

[Yosemitest]

That's a given, minus the voting dead and voting pets.

Republican warning: Don't trust Postal Service with absentee ballots

[Yosemitest]

How about ( ? )

WHEN Romney wins,
he needs to appoint the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) as U.S. Ambassador to Libya,
with Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta ONLY, as his security team.
They should be parachuted into Benghazi with a bayonet each, and just as much ammo as U.S. Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens, Tyrone Woods, Glen Doherty, and Sean Smith had.
And President Romney should give them the SAME SUPPORT
that they gave Chris Stevens, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith, and Tyrone S. Woods.

That would be justice!

   

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[MEGoody]

Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

No.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Obama is just a man, and a fairly pathetic one at that.

I would rather a hundred such scoundrels like him walk the streets than *anything* they had created in the law survive.

The best revenge is success. By this I mean restoring America’s economy, slashing the size and scope of its national government, restoring and revitalizing the military, and stripping the power from groups that would undermine our solvency and freedoms and lives.

Men come and men go. In a hundred years, all new people.

What lasts, what should last, are the ideas we inherited from our founding fathers. Our best revenge is to restore these ideas, clearing out the dross and pragmatic abuses, to clean it and shine it and hand it off to our posterity in better condition than we got it.

To do so would be like gall and wormwood to people like Obama. For it would defeat and destroy the dreams of their hateful fathers, leaving America strong, not weakened or destroyed or defeated.

[arthurus]

If Romney wins he, as a Republican and along with the Congressional Republicans will “let bygones be bygones” and not mention the Benghazi affair or any other kenyan problems. It would be, however, a nice gesture if he would ostentatiously pardon the kenyan for any “all crimes committed in his presidency.” There would be no prosecutions anyway and the pardon would get a big point across. Alternatively Romney might, after winning the election, suggest to the kenyan that he Pardon himself before he actually leaves office.

[faithhopecharity]

OK THANKS!
SO here is what my questions seem to (?) be now...

1. you say you’re sure they’ll make an exception for BHusseinO if an alien can’t be convicted of treason (because he did not have a citizen’s duty of loyalty to begin with)...
1. I would be very uncomfortable with any making of an exception. The law is supposed to be followed and people (of any stripe, even commie pinko Islamacist terrorist lovers) are not supposed to be “made exceptions of” — that is how people are treated in the kinds of shitcan countries they come from. This is America, if BHO is to be convicted it must be of some law that applies to him and what he’s done.
2. I remain uncertain about the law on treason but it maybe could apply to BHO. If it does, it would likely be by this line of argument...
a. Treason, as defined by the Constitution, comprises of the following:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” U.S. Const. art. 3 § 3”

Now then, while we could argue that some of his actions — such as the Mexican gun-running or the horrible Libyan murders incident -— comprise acts of war against the USA, it is unnecessary here because of the other clause, that... treason also includes ... “adhering to (America’s) enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort...”.

There is no problem seeing BHO’s actions as falling within the “Aid and Comfort” clause. “Aid and Comfort” means ...”an act which weakens or tends to weaken the power of the [sovereign] and of the country to resist or to attack the enemies of the [sovereign] and the country.” Cramer v. United States, 325 U.S. 1, 29 (1945). It is difficult to recall a single day when BHO did not work to do this.

SO, all that leaves is the question whether an alien can be convicted of treason (the argument being that an alien owes no duty of loyalty so cannot be said to have broken one). The answer, I now believe, is YES. I believe an alien resident in America CAN be convicted of treason, after all. For, “The alien, whilst domiciled in the country, owes a local and temporary allegiance, which continues during the period of his residence.” ... Carlisle v. United States, 83 U.S. 147, 154 (1872).

(Also, he could be held to his oath of office, if he really did take it .. ha... as laying the grounds for a duty of loyalty ... OR he could possibly be charged directly with violation of the oath itself, or both charges could maybe be filed?)

I will welcome any possible corrections to the above, admittedly preliminary, legal analysis. I just felt I needed to at least try to start answering the “can an alien be charted with treason” question... since I kept raising it, ha!

[arthurus]

Actually it would be a really bad precedent to prosecute a president after he leaves office. The Democrats will hold power again sometime and if the precedent has been set then they will, as a matter of course, prosecute former Republican presidents for whatever they can think up and will put them in prison.That would be the end of the Republic, should it still exist, because the people who would then seek the presidency would be all dictatorially minded. Total power would have to be secured along with lifetime tenure in order to avoid prison.

[Yosemitest]

Oh, I forgot.

Federal judge says Ohio must count disputed votes

It Is Who Counts the Votes That Matters

From Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis


ACORN, the new tip of the Cloward-Piven spear


In 1970, one of George Wiley's protégés, Wade Rathke -- like Bill Ayers, a member of the radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) -- was sent to found the Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now. While NWRO had made a good start, it alone couldn't accomplish the Cloward-Piven goals. Rathke's group broadened the offensive to include a wide array of low income "rights." Shortly thereafter they changed "Arkansas" to "Association of" and ACORN went nationwide.


Today ACORN is involved in a wide array of activities, including housing, voting rights, illegal immigration and other issues. According to ACORN's website: "ACORN is the nation's largest grassroots community organization of low-and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country," It is perhaps the largest radical group in the U.S. and has been cited for widespread criminal activity on many fronts.


Voting


On voting rights, ACORN and its voter mobilization subsidiary, Project Vote, have been involved nationwide in efforts to grant felons the vote and lobbied heavily for the Motor Voter Act of 1993, a law allowing people to register at motor vehicle departments, schools, libraries and other public places. That law had been sought by Cloward and Piven since the early1980s and they were present, standing behind President Clinton at the signing ceremony.


ACORN's voter rights tactics follow the Cloward-Piven Strategy:


• 1. Register as many Democrat voters as possible, legal or otherwise and help them vote, multiple times if possible.
• 2. Overwhelm the system with fraudulent registrations using multiple entries of the same name, names of deceased, random names from the phone book, even contrived names.
• 3. Make the system difficult to police by lobbying for minimal identification standards.


In this effort, ACORN sets up registration sites all over the country and has been frequently cited for turning in fraudulent registrations, as well as destroying republican applications. In the 2004-2006 election cycles alone, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud in 12 states. It may have swung the election for one state governor.


ACORN's website brags: "Since 2004, ACORN has helped more than 1.7 million low- and moderate-income and minority citizens apply to register to vote." Project vote boasts 4 million. I wonder how many of them are dead? For the 2008 cycle, ACORN and Project Vote have pulled out all the stops. Given their furious nationwide effort, it is not inconceivable that this presidential race could be decided by fraudulent votes alone.


Barack Obama ran ACORN's Project Vote in Chicago and his highly successful voter registration drive was credited with getting the disgraced former Senator Carol Moseley-Braun elected. Newsmax reiterates Cloward and Piven's aspirations for ACORN's voter registration efforts:



By advocating massive, no-holds-barred voter registration campaigns, they [Cloward & Piven] sought a Democratic administration in Washington, D.C. that would re-distribute the nation's wealth and lead to a totalitarian socialist state.



Illegal Immigration


As I have written elsewhere, the Radical Left's offensive to promote illegal immigration is "Cloward-Piven on steroids." ACORN is at the forefront of this movement as well, and was a leading organization among a broad coalition of radical groups, including Soros' Open Society Institute, the Service Employees International Union (ACORN founder Wade Rathke also runs a SEIU chapter), and others, that became the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. CCIR fortunately failed to gain passage for the 2007 illegal immigrant amnesty bill, but its goals have not changed.


The burden of illegal immigration on our already overstressed welfare system has been widely documented. Some towns in California have even been taken over by illegal immigrant drug cartels. The disease, crime and overcrowding brought by illegal immigrants places a heavy burden on every segment of society and every level of government, threatening to split this country apart at the seams. In the meantime, radical leftist efforts to grant illegal immigrants citizenship guarantee a huge pool of new democrat voters. With little border control, terrorists can also filter in.


Obama aided ACORN as their lead attorney in a successful suit he brought against the Illinois state government to implement the Motor Voter law there. The law had been resisted by Republican Governor Jim Edgars, who feared the law was an opening to widespread vote fraud.


His fears were warranted as the Motor Voter law has since been cited as a major opportunity for vote fraud, especially for illegal immigrants, even terrorists. According to the Wall Street Journal: "After 9/11, the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote..."


ACORN's dual offensives on voting and illegal immigration are handy complements. Both swell the voter rolls with reliable democrats while assaulting the country ACORN seeks to destroy with overwhelming new problems.

[Yosemitest]

I disagree.

[Yosemitest]

Your reply was well; thought out, and what I wanted.
How would Congress's resolution about Obama's citizenship affect your answer?

Congress: Yes, Obama Was Born in Hawaii

[faithhopecharity]

I would not think a Congressional resolution proclaiming him an American citizen would change this analysis much, since it appears he can be tried for treason even as a resident alien?

(I think also that a good defense attorney could argue all day about a Congressional declaration of a fact as “law,” where that fact is demonstrably false... and where it were to be used, perhaps, as an essential element in a criminal conviction... raises all sorts of fun questions... ha... but at any event, it does not appear necessary to reach this ..)

I remain very open to any corrections or improvements on my earlier posting which is to be considered as merely a preliminary first stab at the “can a treason charge stand?” question. Perhaps there is a lawyer out there with the time and resources and expertise to really research this for us? Thanks!

[dalereed]

try and convict him of treason, execute him and deport his carcass to Kenya!

[servo1969]

No, President Obama should not be pardoned.

People died in Mexico.
People died in America.
People died in Benghazi.

Not as result of normal warfare but because of calculated strategies meant to circumvent the Constitution or protect a political campaign. In fact, deaths might even have been considered crucial to the success of these activities.

Watergate was about a political campaign but nobody died or was even injured. Not the same at all.

[allmendream]

“Sentence first, verdict after.” Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

Many here seem just as delusional.

[allmendream]

Indeed this is a typical characteristic of a third world hell hole.

If a party loses power their administration is prosecuted and jailed and/or executed.

This provides a huge incentive to not have free and fair elections, to not give up power when elections are lost, to suspend or rewrite Constitutions, to declare oneself “Dictator for Life”, etc, etc.

Criminalizing policy differences as treason is not a smart move. And arming rebels in Libya wasn’t even much of a policy difference. Should McCain be tried for treason on the same grounds?

[arthurus]

Even criminalizing actual crimes is not good. It would be taken politically as political prosecution/persecution and for Republicans that would stick because the Democrats own the MSM. That’s why I think President Romney should, as his first official act, should pardon the kenyan for all crimes committed during his term.

[Yosemitest]

Well, I'll trust your input, since I'm not a lawyer.
Maybe a REAL Constitutional Lawyer, not of the ILK of the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, will help us figure this one out.

[Yosemitest]

You’re my kind of FReeper.