Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

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[Grampa Dave]

It doesn’t matter what we think.

OboZo and his legion of left wing lawyers will figure out how to remove any threat of jail after he is defeated.

The best thing would be to charge and try him and his cluster of evil for treason after he is no longer president.

Then get conservative lawyers to charge all of them with civil crimes and sue the bastards for the rest of their lives.

[SVTCobra03]

If 0bama cannot pardon himself, he will resign just before Mitt takes the Oath of Office and have Biden pardon him.

[Yosemitest]

That's a given, minus the voting dead and voting pets.

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[Yosemitest]

How about ( ? )

WHEN Romney wins,
he needs to appoint the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) as U.S. Ambassador to Libya,
with Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Leon Panetta ONLY, as his security team.
They should be parachuted into Benghazi with a bayonet each, and just as much ammo as U.S. Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens, Tyrone Woods, Glen Doherty, and Sean Smith had.
And President Romney should give them the SAME SUPPORT
that they gave Chris Stevens, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith, and Tyrone S. Woods.

That would be justice!

   

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[MEGoody]

Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

No.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Obama is just a man, and a fairly pathetic one at that.

I would rather a hundred such scoundrels like him walk the streets than *anything* they had created in the law survive.

The best revenge is success. By this I mean restoring America’s economy, slashing the size and scope of its national government, restoring and revitalizing the military, and stripping the power from groups that would undermine our solvency and freedoms and lives.

Men come and men go. In a hundred years, all new people.

What lasts, what should last, are the ideas we inherited from our founding fathers. Our best revenge is to restore these ideas, clearing out the dross and pragmatic abuses, to clean it and shine it and hand it off to our posterity in better condition than we got it.

To do so would be like gall and wormwood to people like Obama. For it would defeat and destroy the dreams of their hateful fathers, leaving America strong, not weakened or destroyed or defeated.

[arthurus]

If Romney wins he, as a Republican and along with the Congressional Republicans will “let bygones be bygones” and not mention the Benghazi affair or any other kenyan problems. It would be, however, a nice gesture if he would ostentatiously pardon the kenyan for any “all crimes committed in his presidency.” There would be no prosecutions anyway and the pardon would get a big point across. Alternatively Romney might, after winning the election, suggest to the kenyan that he Pardon himself before he actually leaves office.

[faithhopecharity]

OK THANKS!
SO here is what my questions seem to (?) be now...

1. you say you’re sure they’ll make an exception for BHusseinO if an alien can’t be convicted of treason (because he did not have a citizen’s duty of loyalty to begin with)...
1. I would be very uncomfortable with any making of an exception. The law is supposed to be followed and people (of any stripe, even commie pinko Islamacist terrorist lovers) are not supposed to be “made exceptions of” — that is how people are treated in the kinds of shitcan countries they come from. This is America, if BHO is to be convicted it must be of some law that applies to him and what he’s done.
2. I remain uncertain about the law on treason but it maybe could apply to BHO. If it does, it would likely be by this line of argument...
a. Treason, as defined by the Constitution, comprises of the following:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” U.S. Const. art. 3 § 3”

Now then, while we could argue that some of his actions — such as the Mexican gun-running or the horrible Libyan murders incident -— comprise acts of war against the USA, it is unnecessary here because of the other clause, that... treason also includes ... “adhering to (America’s) enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort...”.

There is no problem seeing BHO’s actions as falling within the “Aid and Comfort” clause. “Aid and Comfort” means ...”an act which weakens or tends to weaken the power of the [sovereign] and of the country to resist or to attack the enemies of the [sovereign] and the country.” Cramer v. United States, 325 U.S. 1, 29 (1945). It is difficult to recall a single day when BHO did not work to do this.

SO, all that leaves is the question whether an alien can be convicted of treason (the argument being that an alien owes no duty of loyalty so cannot be said to have broken one). The answer, I now believe, is YES. I believe an alien resident in America CAN be convicted of treason, after all. For, “The alien, whilst domiciled in the country, owes a local and temporary allegiance, which continues during the period of his residence.” ... Carlisle v. United States, 83 U.S. 147, 154 (1872).

(Also, he could be held to his oath of office, if he really did take it .. ha... as laying the grounds for a duty of loyalty ... OR he could possibly be charged directly with violation of the oath itself, or both charges could maybe be filed?)

I will welcome any possible corrections to the above, admittedly preliminary, legal analysis. I just felt I needed to at least try to start answering the “can an alien be charted with treason” question... since I kept raising it, ha!

[arthurus]

Actually it would be a really bad precedent to prosecute a president after he leaves office. The Democrats will hold power again sometime and if the precedent has been set then they will, as a matter of course, prosecute former Republican presidents for whatever they can think up and will put them in prison.That would be the end of the Republic, should it still exist, because the people who would then seek the presidency would be all dictatorially minded. Total power would have to be secured along with lifetime tenure in order to avoid prison.

[Yosemitest]

Oh, I forgot.

Federal judge says Ohio must count disputed votes

It Is Who Counts the Votes That Matters

From Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis


ACORN, the new tip of the Cloward-Piven spear


In 1970, one of George Wiley's protégés, Wade Rathke -- like Bill Ayers, a member of the radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) -- was sent to found the Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now. While NWRO had made a good start, it alone couldn't accomplish the Cloward-Piven goals. Rathke's group broadened the offensive to include a wide array of low income "rights." Shortly thereafter they changed "Arkansas" to "Association of" and ACORN went nationwide.


Today ACORN is involved in a wide array of activities, including housing, voting rights, illegal immigration and other issues. According to ACORN's website: "ACORN is the nation's largest grassroots community organization of low-and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country," It is perhaps the largest radical group in the U.S. and has been cited for widespread criminal activity on many fronts.


Voting


On voting rights, ACORN and its voter mobilization subsidiary, Project Vote, have been involved nationwide in efforts to grant felons the vote and lobbied heavily for the Motor Voter Act of 1993, a law allowing people to register at motor vehicle departments, schools, libraries and other public places. That law had been sought by Cloward and Piven since the early1980s and they were present, standing behind President Clinton at the signing ceremony.


ACORN's voter rights tactics follow the Cloward-Piven Strategy:


• 1. Register as many Democrat voters as possible, legal or otherwise and help them vote, multiple times if possible.
• 2. Overwhelm the system with fraudulent registrations using multiple entries of the same name, names of deceased, random names from the phone book, even contrived names.
• 3. Make the system difficult to police by lobbying for minimal identification standards.


In this effort, ACORN sets up registration sites all over the country and has been frequently cited for turning in fraudulent registrations, as well as destroying republican applications. In the 2004-2006 election cycles alone, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud in 12 states. It may have swung the election for one state governor.


ACORN's website brags: "Since 2004, ACORN has helped more than 1.7 million low- and moderate-income and minority citizens apply to register to vote." Project vote boasts 4 million. I wonder how many of them are dead? For the 2008 cycle, ACORN and Project Vote have pulled out all the stops. Given their furious nationwide effort, it is not inconceivable that this presidential race could be decided by fraudulent votes alone.


Barack Obama ran ACORN's Project Vote in Chicago and his highly successful voter registration drive was credited with getting the disgraced former Senator Carol Moseley-Braun elected. Newsmax reiterates Cloward and Piven's aspirations for ACORN's voter registration efforts:



By advocating massive, no-holds-barred voter registration campaigns, they [Cloward & Piven] sought a Democratic administration in Washington, D.C. that would re-distribute the nation's wealth and lead to a totalitarian socialist state.



Illegal Immigration


As I have written elsewhere, the Radical Left's offensive to promote illegal immigration is "Cloward-Piven on steroids." ACORN is at the forefront of this movement as well, and was a leading organization among a broad coalition of radical groups, including Soros' Open Society Institute, the Service Employees International Union (ACORN founder Wade Rathke also runs a SEIU chapter), and others, that became the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. CCIR fortunately failed to gain passage for the 2007 illegal immigrant amnesty bill, but its goals have not changed.


The burden of illegal immigration on our already overstressed welfare system has been widely documented. Some towns in California have even been taken over by illegal immigrant drug cartels. The disease, crime and overcrowding brought by illegal immigrants places a heavy burden on every segment of society and every level of government, threatening to split this country apart at the seams. In the meantime, radical leftist efforts to grant illegal immigrants citizenship guarantee a huge pool of new democrat voters. With little border control, terrorists can also filter in.


Obama aided ACORN as their lead attorney in a successful suit he brought against the Illinois state government to implement the Motor Voter law there. The law had been resisted by Republican Governor Jim Edgars, who feared the law was an opening to widespread vote fraud.


His fears were warranted as the Motor Voter law has since been cited as a major opportunity for vote fraud, especially for illegal immigrants, even terrorists. According to the Wall Street Journal: "After 9/11, the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote..."


ACORN's dual offensives on voting and illegal immigration are handy complements. Both swell the voter rolls with reliable democrats while assaulting the country ACORN seeks to destroy with overwhelming new problems.

[Yosemitest]

I disagree.

[Yosemitest]

Your reply was well; thought out, and what I wanted.
How would Congress's resolution about Obama's citizenship affect your answer?

Congress: Yes, Obama Was Born in Hawaii

[faithhopecharity]

I would not think a Congressional resolution proclaiming him an American citizen would change this analysis much, since it appears he can be tried for treason even as a resident alien?

(I think also that a good defense attorney could argue all day about a Congressional declaration of a fact as “law,” where that fact is demonstrably false... and where it were to be used, perhaps, as an essential element in a criminal conviction... raises all sorts of fun questions... ha... but at any event, it does not appear necessary to reach this ..)

I remain very open to any corrections or improvements on my earlier posting which is to be considered as merely a preliminary first stab at the “can a treason charge stand?” question. Perhaps there is a lawyer out there with the time and resources and expertise to really research this for us? Thanks!

[dalereed]

try and convict him of treason, execute him and deport his carcass to Kenya!

[servo1969]

No, President Obama should not be pardoned.

People died in Mexico.
People died in America.
People died in Benghazi.

Not as result of normal warfare but because of calculated strategies meant to circumvent the Constitution or protect a political campaign. In fact, deaths might even have been considered crucial to the success of these activities.

Watergate was about a political campaign but nobody died or was even injured. Not the same at all.

[allmendream]

“Sentence first, verdict after.” Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

Many here seem just as delusional.

[allmendream]

Indeed this is a typical characteristic of a third world hell hole.

If a party loses power their administration is prosecuted and jailed and/or executed.

This provides a huge incentive to not have free and fair elections, to not give up power when elections are lost, to suspend or rewrite Constitutions, to declare oneself “Dictator for Life”, etc, etc.

Criminalizing policy differences as treason is not a smart move. And arming rebels in Libya wasn’t even much of a policy difference. Should McCain be tried for treason on the same grounds?

[arthurus]

Even criminalizing actual crimes is not good. It would be taken politically as political prosecution/persecution and for Republicans that would stick because the Democrats own the MSM. That’s why I think President Romney should, as his first official act, should pardon the kenyan for all crimes committed during his term.

[Yosemitest]

Well, I'll trust your input, since I'm not a lawyer.
Maybe a REAL Constitutional Lawyer, not of the ILK of the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, will help us figure this one out.

[Yosemitest]

You’re my kind of FReeper.