But Mitt Romney's a Mormon! (Fear not)

The Washington Times Communities ^ | October 20, 2012 | Amanda Read

[SincerelyAmanda]

Our White House has been residence to Unitarians, at least one likely Deist, and multiple Freemasons. Is Romney’s Mormonism really any weirder?

[rawcatslyentist]

At least the Mormon theme isn’t “Death to America”!

[AlexW]

I never understood all the hubbub about Mormons.
The Marxist yap about them as if they were a demonic cult.
Throughout my life, I have never observed any problem with Mormons, but I never knew any in Tennessee.

I just know I would take a Mormon, or just about anything else, over a Communist...ANY DAY.

[ansel12]

Mormonism is truly the worst of the lot.

Not only does Mitt think that he is going to become a God like our own God (he thinks that our God used to be just a man like him), Mormonism dresses up just like Christianity, and uses much of it’s language, and they even carry a bible with the Book of Mormon, all to seduce Christians in the worst way, by convincing them that they are not leaving Christ.

Mormonism maintains that front and leads a victim along slowly, letting the truth dribble out in measured doses so as not to shatter the seduction and drive off the prospect.

[Hardraade]

Go look up anti-mormonism and hate groups.

You’ll understand what FR is pushing.

[Hardraade]

Go look up anti-mormonism and hate groups.

You’ll understand what FR is pushing.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

You really hate him don’t ya?
Guess a muslim in the white house works better for you.

I know, I know, it’s all about your deep convictions.

My children and millions of others Thank You.

I find your tripe laughable :)
Thanks for the late night comedy ~

[dila813]

We got what we got, I would rather have someone else, but anyone but Obama.

Romney has yet to have given me a reason other than he is not Obama, I hope at the next debate Romney will say he is going to expedite energy production including the modification of anything that gets in its way.

Lets see us really get energy independent. So far, he hasn’t put out policy positions that are strong enough to make that happen.

[FredZarguna]

Do you know that in a country as civilized as England, the Roman Catholic daughter of Henry the VIII found the Reformed Christianity of her countrymen so vile that she had several hundred of them burned alive?

What relevance did that have to the election of John F. Kennedy? None.

As long as Romney's religion doesn't interfere with the oath he will take on January 20th 2013 to support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, I don't see what the point of all this is.

I share religious beliefs with practically no one on FRee Republic, and I certainly don't share Romney's. That doesn't mean we can't have common cause to save the United States of America.

That is what this is coming down to, and all these irrelevant games are the work of The Enemy.

[ansel12]

Evidently you are willing to launch into a personal attack, but not willing to point out the fact in post 4 that you think is false.

The knowledge you learned about Mormonism, made you angry and emotional, and hostile towards a fellow freeper.

To quote the Catholics:
“”By following all the rules and ordinances of God here, Mormon men and women have the potential of also becoming gods (by first becoming a good Mormon, paying a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, and follow various laws and ordinances of the church). “As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become” (Joseph Smith’s words). Mormons believe that there are many worlds and many gods. Each god is similar to God the Father, having the same powers and omnipotence, and even being able to create their own worlds. “Heavenly Father” is only the name of the god who rules over this world

[Brad from Tennessee]

Some “Christians” define themselves only through hatred of people who don’t share their beliefs. They will cluster together and turn a decent church into a cult. This type of bigot shares responsibility for shrinking church membership in the U.S.

[SoConPubbie]

Some “Christians” define themselves only through hatred of people who don’t share their beliefs. They will cluster together and turn a decent church into a cult. This type of bigot shares responsibility for shrinking church membership in the U.S.

No, you have it completely 180 degrees backwards.

The shrinking church membership is the direct reflection of leaving the Word of God behind, refusing to obey God, accepting those things that are not of God, as if they are of God, and finally rebelling against God.

The Apostle Paul was very clear about those groups that would teach heresy as if it was Christianity:

Galations 1:8

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. "

You have falsely accused those who have proven over and over and over again through the foundational documents of the Church of Mormon and comparison to the Word of God, the Bible, and the words of the so-called Mormon Church prophets of practicing hate.

In reality, it is you that hate God.

[SoConPubbie]

You have falsely accused those who have proven over and over and over again through the foundational documents of the Church of Mormon and comparison to the Word of God, the Bible, and the words of the so-called Mormon Church prophets of practicing hate.

That should have read:

"You have falsely accused those who have proven over and over and over again through the foundational documents of the Church of Mormon and comparison to the Word of God, the Bible, and the words of the so-called Mormon Church prophets the complete and utter falsehood that the Church of Mormon is a Christian Church of practicing hate."

Furthermore, given the words of their False Prophet, Joseph Smith, and other so-called "prophets" of the Mormon Church, your characterization of the Mormon Church as "decent church into a cult", misses the mark by a mile: their very words prove them to be a cult:

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

"Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Documentary History of the Church, Introduction, xl)

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"We may very properly say that the sectarian world do not know anything correctly, so far as pertains to salvation. Ask them where heaven is?- where they are going to when they die?-where Paradise is! -and there is not a priest in the world that can answer your questions. Ask them what kind of a being our Heavenly Father is, and they cannot tell you so much as Balaam's ass told him. They are more ignorant than children." (Brigham Young, JD 5:229).

"The Christian world, I discovered, was like the captain and crew of a vessel on the ocean without a compass, and tossed to and fro whithersoever the wind listed to blow them. When the light came to me, I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness." (Brigham Young, JD 5:73).

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true." (Joseph Smith, DHC 1:6)

"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists." (Joseph Smith, DHC 2:319)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...brother Heber C. Kimball was beset by a number of Baptist priests who had been attending a conference. He read them all down out of the New Testament....With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." (Brigham Young, JD 8:199).

"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, "Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84).

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60)

"And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act." (Orson Pratt, OP-WA, "The Kingdom of God," no.2, p.6)

"...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who recieves baptism or the Lord's supper from their hands will highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt people." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg. 255)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." (Brigham Young, JD 6:176)

"Evil spirits control much of the so-called religious worship in the world; for instance, the great creeds of Christendom were formulated so as to conform to their whispered promptings." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.246)

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christiandom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common orgin. They belong to Babylon." (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p.324)

Finally, note the views of Mormon Prophet Brigham Young regarding the Christian view of Jesus Christ:

"You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an account of his origin...I have frequently thought of mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought many a time" (Journal of Discourses 4:217).

These facts, and the wide disagreement of Mormonism with Christianity have been on display on a regular basis for a very long time.

Apparently you have either refused to read those threads, or refused the honest, fair, complete, and objective comparison that has already been proved.

Instead you would rather bring up the left-wing false canard of being a hater.

[SoConPubbie]

Ping!

[tanknetter]

As long as Romney's religion doesn't interfere with the oath he will take on January 20th 2013 to support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, I don't see what the point of all this is.

For eight years I had to put up with Liberal relatives of mine (ok, my wife's ... but still people I couldn't easily just walk away from) pushing the notion that George W. Bush was going to install an Evangelical Christian Theocracy through things like a White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives. So, iow *yawn*. Annoying, but *yawn*.

Here's the thing about religion and the Presidency - an Administration can only go as far as the six Roman Catholics and three Jews on the Supreme Court (and to a lesser extent the 535 members of the two houses of Congress (Wikipedia shows them as 55% Protestant, 30% Roman Catholic, 8% Jewish and then 2.6% Mormon ... the rest being other religions) allow the President to go. Even given the fact that the Senate Democrat Leader is a Mormon too. Even given the possibility that a President Romney could appoint Mormons to fill vacancies on the Supreme Court (probably two, possibly three still isn't a majority)

Personally, I see the likelihood of BOTH Antonin Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsburg running out and buying "magic underwear" (I'm being facetious there) and signing up for a Mormon theocracy about as likely as either of them buying a box full of snakes (facetious there too) and up for an Evangelical Protestant one.

So unless someone can provide demonstrable evidence that Romney is going to govern with the intent of converting everyone to Mormonism (although I imagine that if he were to promise to start with Keith Ellison a LOT of people on FR would be VERY enthusiastic about the whole thing) this is a complete non-issue to me.

[Hardraade]

It’s not just a non-issue, it’s embarassing dementia.

[Sherman Logan]

Do you know that in a country as civilized as England, the Roman Catholic daughter of Henry the VIII found the Reformed Christianity of her countrymen so vile that she had several hundred of them burned alive?

To be fair, the treacherous Mormon massacre of over 100 American men, women and children, after accepting their surrender on terms, took place a little more recently.

1857, not 1555.

Arguably on the direct instructions of Brigham Young.

The worst massacre of white Americans by white Americans in our history.

Personally, I don't find this disqualifying for Mitt. But it is perhaps relevant to recognize that in Mormon history the extreme fanaticism and resultant violence found in the history of most "Christian" denominations is a good deal more recent.

[Elsie]

Is Romney’s Mormonism really any weirder?

Can't speak to the weird; but ARROGANT does come to mind...

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

The Marxist yap about them as if they were a demonic cult.

[Elsie]

I just know I would take a Mormon, or just about anything else, over a Communist...ANY DAY.

Have you thought about ETERNITY?