Arpaio Investigator: Hawaii Still Covering Up For Obama

WND ^ | 09/18/2012 | Jerome Corsi

[9YearLurker]

Presumably that BC wouldn’t have been stolen that same week of birth, and so wouldn’t that point to the announcements in the papers, as found on microfiche in the library, to have been faked?

It’s hard for me to believe that such could not be authenticated somewhere, somehow—and then the case would really open up.

[NOVACPA]

It was a special, low-profile assignment.

By using the term invertigator, it throws the media off.

:-)

[Scooter100]

Depends on quality. Acid-free paper with a decent cotton/linen content can last a very long time. In contrast, I have some cheap pocket books from the late 1940’s which are in absolutely horrible shape...they have turned a deep brown and flake and crumble to the touch. I would think that most governement “permanent record” docs would be of the former quality.

[butterdezillion]

They can’t be in order by both date/time of occurrence AND by alpha order. Verna Lee has said they went in order of birth. Why would she say that if they actually went in alpha order?

[Jude in WV]

In Bible history, there is no such thing as race. There are the nations of Shem, Ham, and Japeth (brothers).

Adam is Hebrew for red man. Esau and David were described as ruddy (reddish). Vikings are described like this. Native Americans were called red men. Many folks have an olive skin color.

After men were scattered over the earth, I believe the environment began to play a part in skin color. As a young child, I was very dark complexioned. At about 12 yrs old, I began to dislike playing outside in winter. I preferred to stay inside and read a book. After one very bad sunburn (fell asleep while tanning outside), I stopped tanning as a teenager. Eventually, I became very fair skinned as I am now.

Culture is derived from the practices of a group which usually follows the lead of the dominant members of the group. Thus, nations began to develop different cultures. Here is where the diversity lies. I don’t see any reason to take skin color into account for our differences. But, I think it is a good thing to show mutual respect and allow for our differences in our cultures. I enjoy learning from those different from me.

[butterdezillion]

Virginia’s number is right around where Johanna Ah Nee’s BC# should be, according to the numbering system described by 1961 registrar Verna K L Lee. (Somebody born in Honolulu around Aug 25th). See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/the-hdoh-has-juggled-bcs-for-at-least-4-1961-bcs/

[butterdezillion]

And the HDOH has all this stuff on multiple microfilms as well, including master security microfilms. The law has provisions for new BC’s to be made if the originals become unuseable, but the microfilms are there to insure that the image of the originals will always be available.

It is the microfilms that Arpaio wants to see - and that ANYBODY needs to see in order to have any idea what is genuine at this point (along with the computer transaction logs).

The Administrative Rules actually expressly allow people who are named on BC’s to be able to see the record for themselves. And they are allowed to get copies - not just abstracts - of the ENTIRE BC, including the confidential portion.

Almost everything that comes out of the Hawaii government these days is lies.

[turn_to]

Um, thanks for your... concern?

[Fred Nerks]

The way I understood it, there were four regional Registrars, and from these the birth certificates were forwarded to the Hawaii Department of Health in batches. The batches were checked and numbered by the HDOH in order of their birth-times...but as there were always more births at Kapiolani, by the time the (four on that particular day)Wahiawa births were entered, the numbers had to be out of sequence.

The Local Registrar for the region that included the Wahiawa hospital was Verna Lee. No doubt she would have assembled her batches of certificates in order of birth, but by the time her batch was checked and entered at the HDOH - ALL of any previous batch from say Kapiolani would have been numbered.

Thus it seems to me, the certificate for Virginia could NOT have been numbered according to the birth TIME of ALL the regional birth certificates.

The death certificate shows her name as that of her father. Obviously she was transferred to another hospital (Kapiolani?) before she was named. Her birth was recorded under the name of her father. But a birth certificate must have been raised. Because it was AMENDED to the name VIRGINIA dated and initialled 8/29/61.

Her death announcement appeared in a Hawaii newspaper August 8, 1961 iirc. The dates quoted in the announcements were Birth August 4. Death August 5.

It would seem a birth certificate was raised for Virginia for her August 4 birthdate - but a new number was provided when the name was amended two weeks later, during which time 439 babies were born and issued with birth certificates in Hawaii.

So what happened to her original certificate number?

butter, I'm thinking you might be able to make this more clear than how I have written this...it's always bugged me. If there's a ledger entry of some kind in which ALL the numbers are recorded, what is the entry for 10641?

[4Zoltan]

All I’m saying is that when the Kapiolani births are put in numberical order, they are also in alphabetical (by last name) order.

Verna Lee also said that first the BC were sorted geographically, so certainly the Kapiolani births would be together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35rnliYemWU&feature=channel&list=UL

Would a birth at Wahiawa General be in the same geographical area as Kapiolani? They are about 20 miles apart and Wahiawa General is outside the Honolulu city limits. For Federal geographical coding Honolulu County was divided into “Honolulu” and “Balance of County”.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/Inman_IIa.pdf

So Virgina’s BC would not be in with the Kapiolani kids and she would not have a number only three away from the Nordyke’s. 151 61 10641 cannot be Sunahara’s original number.

[Fred Nerks]

...So Virgina’s BC would not be in with the Kapiolani kids and she would not have a number only three away from the Nordyke’s. 151 61 10641 cannot be Sunahara’s original number.

I can't see how you reach that conclusion, but it's obvious Verna Lee was the local registrar for the region that included the Wahiawa hospital, NOT Kapiolani...and Virginia WAS born at the Wahiawi Hospital.

[4Zoltan]

From the 1955 article on Hawaii vital records.

“A local registrar in each county is responsible
for supervising the registration system within his
area and for collecting and forwarding certificates
to the Bureau of Health Statistics. In the counties
of Hawaii, Kauai and Maui, the county health
officer acts as the local registrar; in Honolulu, the
local registrar is a full-time employee within the
Bureau of Health Statistics.”

http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf

Vern Lee was the local registrar for Honolulu county. I would assume that there was someone else who could also fullfill that role if she was absent.

[Reily]

I don't think that lawyer said it was fake.
I think that the lawyer said it didn't matter.
Important distinction.

[Fred Nerks]

So, assuming you know everything, can you tell me what the various regions were, and WHO was the local registrar for each in 1961?

[Fred Nerks]

...A different local registrar worked in each of the four branch offices in which births were registered in Hawaii. Obama's birth was registered in an office which is not the office use by Kapi’olani to register births occurring in its facility.

The name of a local registrar is not associated with other birth certificates for births which actually occurred at Kapi’olani and which were attested by physicians who actually delivered those births. This registrar worked in a branch office not used by Kapi’olani to register births. This is why Obama’s birth registration number is out of sequence with other births at the same time as his.

NON SEQUENTIAL.LINK

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HOWEVER, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE VERNA K L LEE WAS THE LOCAL REGISTRAR FOR THE REGION THAT INCLUDED THE WAHIAWA HOSPITAL, WHERE VIRGINIA WAS BORN.

[ecinkc]

I feel that you’ve raised some fair questions about the certificate numbering sequence (not that your were needing me to step in and validate them). To be honest, for Sunahara’s certificate to be seemingly offset by a few hundred births seems to me as somewhat less significant than others regard it to be. I especially feel that way given the late name and the transfer of hospitals and the early death of Virginia.

What I consider to have considerably greater relative importance regarding the Sunahara certificate are these facts:

(-) When the short form COLB was originally released, it was released with the serial number concealed, though there was no credible reason that anyone could have suspected it to be un-publishable.

(-) When Butterdezillion (I take her word as fact) made an index data inquiry about Sunahara with the HDOH, she was told there were no records responsive originally.

(-) When Duncan Sunahara and Dean Haskins approached the HDOH in person about the long form, they encountered a bizarre reaction of stalling before being curiously kicked out of the building at closing time.

(-) When Hawaii was sued on behalf of Duncan Sunahara, they resorted to a defense that was clearly full of absurd exaggerations (read bald-faced lies), but that seemed a better approach to them than for them to give him a photo copy of the certificate.

(-) Hawaii took that defensive approach despite the fact that it made their tact considerably vulnerable to accusations of favoritism—they were willing to make an exception for someone with extraordinary resources, but not for the brother (of modest means) of a deceased baby sister. I admit their gamble paid off on that count, however, thanks to the media’s complicit cooperation.

In my opinion, the number appearing on Sunahara’s short-form could have been right in line with Obama’s and I still would feel that the circumstantial evidence is fully sufficient to prompt a larger investigation as well as outrage in the press (were it not so leftist).

I realize your main points here have been about the numbering and whether or not it implications are all that meaningful, but I’m curious if you feel the other issues I’ve mentioned relating to the alleged Obama B.C. serial number and to the still-hidden Sunahara certificate can be easily explained as innocent.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks bitt.

[jarofants]

Obama’s Lawyers Officially Admit Birth Certificate is Fake Is what I read here. I don't know what you read.

http://occupycorporatism.com/obamas-lawyers-officially-admit-birth-certificate-is-fake/