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To: boatbums

You are putting too much importance on him supposedly being God. He said, and Roy teaches too, that if we judge, we will be judged. Forgive us, as we forgive....not being annoyed by people’s thoughtlessness daily....is exactly what Roy teaches. There are actually people around the world that learn that patient love that know very little to nothing about Jesus of history, but still will be saved because they have that holy spirit and learn to live by it. You are intellectualizing your “salvation” and thereby missing it.


64 posted on 09/17/2012 8:22:40 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian
You are putting too much importance on him supposedly being God. He said, and Roy teaches too, that if we judge, we will be judged. Forgive us, as we forgive....not being annoyed by people’s thoughtlessness daily....is exactly what Roy teaches.

I think it is you and/or Roy Masters who are putting too LITTLE importance on Jesus being God in the flesh! In order for Jesus to be the redeemer, he HAD to be God, because ONLY God taking on human form can live a completely holy and sinless life in order to give that life upon the cross as propitiation for the sins of the world. Belief in who Jesus is comes part and parcel with trusting in Him to BE the Savior. There is no "supposedly" about it - Jesus made that quite clear as did ALL the writers of the New Testament books as did many of the Old Testament prophets when they prophesied about the coming Messiah. There's no getting around that very important truth! And I again question why Masters minimizes or distorts that central tenet of the Christian faith. ALL false cults and false religions DENY the deity of Jesus Christ. That should be a HUGE warning light for you.

There are actually people around the world that learn that patient love that know very little to nothing about Jesus of history, but still will be saved because they have that holy spirit and learn to live by it.

These "people" around the world will NOT be saved if they reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ no matter how well they learn to live by Masters' philosophy. If he is teaching that, it SHOULD be another reason to reject the man as a false prophet. No one "gets" the Holy Spirit unless they are born again through faith in Jesus Christ. It doesn't happen by meditating and learning to be patient with people.

You are intellectualizing your “salvation” and thereby missing it.

I don't see how you can say I am "missing" my salvation - you do not know me. I praise the Lord every day for His grace and mercy that saved me. What you call "intellectualizing" is nothing more than obeying the commands of Christ to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. It is also obeying Him to be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks of the reason for the hope within me, with respect and gentleness. We are told to study the Word, preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. In other words, we are NOT supposed to be ignorant of what we believe nor why we believe it. The eternal destiny of souls depends upon it - and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14)

65 posted on 09/17/2012 9:02:58 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: fabian; Springfield Reformer; daniel1212
I was doing a little "digging" around on the 'Net tonight and found this site of Roy Masters' called: Roy Masters Statement of Belief - An Open Letter to Churches. In it, he explains his mistakes in earlier years of expressing and formulating his beliefs about Christianity because he was Jewish. On the topic of Jesus Christ and the Bible, he says:

    I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten Son of God. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah foretold, born of the Virgin Mary, and that accepting His perfect truth is essential to salvation. God is perfectly revealed for us in the fullness of Christ, and so we have His clear example to follow. A person must love this Truth more than worldly life, for it is by faith that we are saved, and not acts.

    As far as the concept of the Trinity is concerned, it is a mystery that I am eager to understand. I believe in one God, maker of Heaven and Earth. Therefore, I have trouble accepting the expression that "Jesus is God," since for me that means "Jesus is the Father," the source of all wisdom. I do believe that as God's Anointed—as the Father's Son in whom He was well pleased--judgment over men was given to Jesus, and He is deserving of worship.

    I believe the Bible is absolutely the inspired word of God and should be taken literally—leaving reasonable room for honest disagreements that are based on translation differences and passages accepted as unclear. I think part of the reason Christians benefit from interdenominational contact is that we help each other to better know this Book of Life so essential for spreading the Good News. I welcome such help.

As to the idea that Masters teaches he and his followers are "without sin", he explains:

    The absurd "I am without sin" quote attributed to me, and repeated endlessly by the media, to the best of my knowledge originally came from US magazine. As you can imagine, trying to describe the process of being "born again" to the average reporter is truly a dangerous prospect, especially if one's reputation will depend on that reporter's understanding of Christian mystery. I was so outraged by the seemingly intentional betrayal in that story that I sued US magazine. My case was so strong that the famous trial lawyer Melvin Belli took it on contingency. US magazine eventually paid me in an out-of-court settlement. But the damage that one article did to the Foundation of Human Understanding has been incalculable, because many Christians have believed it, and some have quoted it to others, who, however well-intentioned, spread this untruth to still others. Of course, only Jesus is without sin. To say otherwise is to deny the whole purpose of His coming into a sinful world in need of redemption. Thus, the Bible states that anyone who says he's without sin is a liar. I believe in the process of being born again, as described in the Gospel of John and in Romans Chapter 6. I believe that when the process is complete, one does not practice sin, but is a "slave of righteousness." If I succeed in being a slave of righteousness, I do so only by Grace, for I could not achieve victory over sin by myself. Christ did it for me, and does it still—every day.

He ends with this statement:

    I know now that the "foundation of human understanding" is Jesus Christ. At the core, that is what I teach.

So, Fabian, perhaps you are relying too much on Roy Masters' old teachings and are not aware that he has changed his views on some subjects. Though I will not be a follower of his, there were only a few things he said in this letter with which I have issues, and, perhaps, he is not being as forthright about ALL that he teaches and is only saying what he knows will calm down the Christians who know what they believe AS Christians and who considered him as a cult leader. I'm glad I read this letter, hopefully, you will read it, too. Good night.

69 posted on 09/17/2012 11:14:44 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: fabian
You are putting too much importance on him supposedly being God. He said, and Roy teaches too, that if we judge, we will be judged.

And yet you presume to judge us?

Roy; your method is slipping.

75 posted on 09/18/2012 2:41:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
You are putting too much importance on him supposedly being God.

WHOA!

76 posted on 09/18/2012 2:42:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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