Public thread - public forum, exposing a CINO
Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian
Now celebrating 52 years of helping people on the radio! For over half a century Roy Masters has been helping people overcome their most difficult problems. As the nation’s first and longest running radio counselor, Roy Masters has advised callers with a unique ability to hear inner problems, heal fears and sexual stresses, and help people take charge of their own lives. Great show and exactly what the world needs! Here is a radio show stations page... http://www.fhu.com/radiostations.html
you guys are the ones that came onto my thread and slandered and lied about a very good man that is helping o many people become really faithful....and then you call me a liar? O boy.
I am done with your dishonest self. Have a good one!
This document was one of my sources in my post 16, but which is carefully limited, as he was not being as forthright about key things that he teaches, and does not confess there such things as that he claims he does not sin, and that it is imperative that you deny that Jesus is God, and that his basis for determining reality is highly subjective, all of which is brought out in the debate: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waltermartindotcom/2011/06/05/walter-martin-takes-on-roy-masters.mp3
Public thread - public forum, exposing a CINO
yeah, unfortunately you are the wolf...but have no clue.
On the contrary, I (and many others) have more than a clue - we have the truth. You my friend are clueless and brainwashed.
The proof is in your actions...you guys cane here and lied and slandered a good man, providing a compleltely out of context quote in order to smear him. That is a liberal and evil tactic. I did no such thing. I think outsiders reading this can see for themselves. Have a good one! You need it!
Good verses. What is going on is that while Masters defines himself as Christian, and a church, he denies (in the debate) that the Bible is God’s communication to man, it is not he says, but what he realizes from it (Masters stated he is “not a Bible man,” but a man of “understanding,” so that he would not feel guilty about taking the Bible to the toilet and using it like anything else).
He states that the Bible is not holy, but his understanding and bond with that spirit is what is holy, and once realized, you leave the printed word behind. He seeks to support this by supposing that discerning truth by means of focusing on language, involving oneself with words, is “moving away from truth,” and make one being guilty of judging by the letter versus the spirit., (2Cor. 3:6) However this is not what Paul was referring to, but as seen in context and his other writings, this refers to salvation by letter-legalism under the Law, such as the Pharisees with their external righteousness, versus that which is was to bring one to, being justified by faith in Christ, and to thus fulfil the intent of the law in its fulness. (Rm. 8:4)
And while the Spirit illuminates the obedient as to the full meaning, yet obedience to God requires studying, (2Tim. 2:15) and which, as in life here and now, requires understanding the Scriptures in the light of context, grammar and genre, etc. While God can speak to us personally out of any text, their is a doctrinal meaning that applies to all, which is supported by the weight of Scriptural evidence.
Thus such doctrines as the depravity of men, the righteousness of Christ, and salvation by faith in His blood, etc.are not established by esoteric revelation, but the weight of Scripture. Which, as in apostolic preaching, Acts 2, 10, 13, etc.) the Holy Spirit can use to convict souls of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment, (Jn. 16:9) and their need for salvation thru repentance and faith.
And the Lord and His apostles established their claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Bible/2Tim_3.html#Partial)
However, the preaching and conversion under Masters is different that which is seen in Acts, and under Masters the Scriptures are not the objective standard which they are appealed to as in Scripture, and understood in the light of context, etc., but can mean whatsoever one esoterically perceives. Certain Supreme Court justices have seemed to operate out of the same basis in their interpretations of what the Founders meant.
And as Masters understanding is supreme then those who disagree cannot be right, whether they do so based upon what context, linguistics and the weight of collective testimony best reveals, or because they claim a personal or corporate assurance of veracity which is not dependent on the aforementioned exegesis establishing such.
While Masters will sometimes invoke Scripture to support such claims as that being born again is a long process and that he does not sin, when countered based on context and linguistics then that is rejected
And so it is with all who basically presume to assured infallibility, which is a mark of cults, and results in competing claims of supremacy among those who claim such, each resting upon their claim to have assuredly correct understanding.
These may claim superior unity, but that is cultic and defendant upon the unwarranted elitist claims of the particular sect claiming assured veracity, and is inferior in quality to that which is of the Spirit, based upon Scripture-based conversion and relationship, and basic commonly held core truths which are established upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power.
While we still “see thru a glass darkly,” and comprehensive doctrinal unity has ever been a goal not realized, and there is much in which we can have a limited amount of reasonable disagreement, yet the Christian faith which has evidenced that it is of the church of the living God is that which has commonly held to basic fundamentals due to the weight of Scriptural substantiation, and thus they have historically exhibited a common front against those which oppose them (cults), and against those who taught as doctrines the mere traditions of “revelations” of men and women who which are not Scriptural and presumed more than what is written.
And you have produced NO proof of your ACCUSATIONS.
We; however; have posted the very WORDS from RM.
He slanders himself.
Huge fan here. He’s awesome.
If you don't want YOUR to not get any comments; then make it a DEVOTIONAL one!
BAH!I thought you claimed that they mean nothing?
Bahloney...and you know it.
O, I don’t mind comments, but you guys are into character assassination here. Not cool.
Thanks! These judgers don’t get it. The Be Still is so simple and effective that it is now being used in the US military and is saving lives big time from suicide.
And it is a liberal thing to adopt the victim status when you promote a man as a hero on a public forum and he is exposed based on documented material.
Wrong again fabie, this guy's own words show that he is a new age non-christian. You put him on an undeserved pedistal, we only showed the epic failure of his doctrines.
Here is an excerpt of Roy’s own words..hardly unchristian as he teaches the actual how of forgiveness. Something the church should be doing!
...”Your emotional upsets have literally turned you upside-down. Even though you were technically correct in what you said or did, if you did it resentfully, your emotions backfired and confused you and as you began to doubt yourself, conflict, depression and fear grew. Emotion has destroyed your objectivity, and, failing to see clearly, you have made terrible errors of judgment. This, in turn, led to a fear of making decisions, so that perhaps you began to look too much to others for guidance, and you know how upsetting it can be if they happen to be wrong or take advantage of you.
You must learn how to be patient with selfish and thoughtless people. You must learn to be poised and calm; otherwise, what is wrong in them shows up in you and makes you look like the bad guy. Everyone is so fascinated with what went wrong with you that they fail to see what they did wrong to you, and that becomes another upsetting, frustrating and scary experience.
Cruel, unthinking people feed off the way you respond to their needling; they walk away self-righteous and satisfied, leaving you frustrated, confused, revengeful and depressed. They get their power from your reaction, while your resentment often makes you feel like the guilty one.’...
Interesting point.
So fab, do words mean nothing with respect to everything, or only with respect to God?
And if they only mean nothing with respect to God, why did Jesus promise to send us the Holy Spirit to remind us of those meaningless words? Wouldn’t that have been a waste of God’s time? Not to mention the source of so much conflict?
BTW, slander is only slander if the statement is proven false, and that requires, dare I say it, words. So if all words are meaningless, slander can’t happen, and it can’t be disproven either. You will eventually have to decide which way you want it, because you can’t have it both ways. Sorry.
Peace,
SR
I never said words are meaningless. Words are only an expression of reality or deception. We know without words...those words are only a human way to express what we see with our spirit. You are much too involved with your intellect, I am afraid.
Loads of psycobabble and not word one specifically stating forgiveness nor scriptural support for this gobblygook. I don't know what his problem is but I bet it is hard to pronounce.
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