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I just got this email, was wondering if anyone knows if these are actually stated in obamacare.
1 posted on 07/18/2012 8:24:46 AM PDT by thesaleboat
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To: thesaleboat

Since no one has read it, who knows?


2 posted on 07/18/2012 8:27:16 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: thesaleboat

these folks say it is not. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp


3 posted on 07/18/2012 8:37:49 AM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: thesaleboat
Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

In a free society,no doctor with any self esteem would accept such a vile violation of rights and enslavement, unless he has no choice.

5 posted on 07/18/2012 8:41:01 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: thesaleboat

My guess is that most, if not all, of the claims are accurate or close enough.
Snopes, of course, says it’s all a lie. I do not trust Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp


7 posted on 07/18/2012 8:44:24 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: thesaleboat

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8 posted on 07/18/2012 8:50:04 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: thesaleboat
HB 3200

That's an earlier form of the bill. ObamaCare, as passed, was H.R. 3590.

10 posted on 07/18/2012 8:59:20 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: thesaleboat
Real? All you need know is the Govt. is getting between you and your doctor. The Govt. screws up everything it touches. Projected costs for this major fuster cluck have tripled since inception. And, it's not even implemented yet. Any questions?
11 posted on 07/18/2012 9:08:34 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: thesaleboat
I'll bet that, as you get older, serious medical care will be hard to come by.

My aunt and I both have pacemakers. I'm almost 60 and she is
80. At some point, our pacemakers, like any other electronic device, will need to be replaced. As of now, if either of us needs a pacemaker, we get it — no fuss, no muss. However, under Obamacare, the replacement procedure will have to be approved by a bureaucrat or a panel of bureaucrats. The decision to replace the pacemaker will be made based, not on medical and health need, but rather, whether the procedure will be cost effective. My aunt may be deemed too old (she will probably die soon, so why waste money on her) and the money for a new pacemaker can be better spent elsewhere (like for some chippy's abortion). Never mind that if the old pacemaker quits, my aunt will be dead.

Me? I might be placed on a waiting list or I might be prescribed medication. Problem is, I did try medication to fix my problem and the result was a cardiac arrest. So without a new pacemaker, I will be dead too.

No wonder the new law is called Death Care

12 posted on 07/18/2012 9:23:20 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: thesaleboat

It absolutely IS real. I am sure of that. Social Security already has unfettered access to your bank accounts. They can withdraw or deposit without your permission.


13 posted on 07/18/2012 9:25:00 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: thesaleboat

While it is convoluted, it is not secret. You can read it yourself. I get these emails forwarded to me a lot, and I disregard them. Go ahead and look for the situations (helpfully referenced); the law is a monstrosity, but these emails are a little over the top.


15 posted on 07/18/2012 9:35:09 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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Obamacare was designed to fail so that Single Payer System can be implemented. Won't be long before doctors are wearing government-issued uniforms. That's where this is headed. Hitler would be proud. Hard to believe anyone could sign-on to this crap. The entire health care industry, including doctors, will be one giant government union. This keeps the votes in the 'Democrat' column. That's the ultimate goal here. As well as recruiting more members of the CIVILIAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE; "JUST as powerful, JUST as strong, JUST AS WELL FUNDED".
16 posted on 07/18/2012 9:37:17 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: thesaleboat

“For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” Hebrews 13:14. There is no ultimate hope in man; look for the city to come, whose builder and maker is God. Thank you for your promises, Lord Jesus.


17 posted on 07/18/2012 9:46:15 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: thesaleboat

Here’s the link to the PDF for the final version of 3590 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

As far as Judge Kithel if you search using the search engine “dogpile” using the “&” ampersand (HR 3590 & judge kithel) you’ll find enough to support the theory he did say what’s attributed to him regarding H.R.3200. The problem is that the final bill H.R. 3590 may or may not say those same things. The final bill could have been washed of those things by hiding them somewhere else or eliminating them.

Sorry... just now saved the PDF so I’m not ready to declare one way or the other.


19 posted on 07/18/2012 12:39:25 PM PDT by overdog2
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