Martin attacked Zimmerman

Yahoo ^ | March 25 | Howard

[Howard Morrison]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120321195530AALPKWj

[Lucas McCain]

“There is zero evidence that Zimmerman prevented a potential crime, or that Martin had criminal intent.”

You could not be more wrong. There is strong evidence to believe that Martin attacked Zimmerman (criminal intent) and that Zimmerman prevented, not only a potential crime (Zimmerman’s murder), but an actual crime (Zimmerman’s beating).

[wtc911]

I tried to finsd an up to date photo of Martian but the net seems to be scrubbed already.

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How hard did you try? Did you look at thugs-r-us? It took me all of one minute to find his FB page which, as of last night was still up.

And, why are you saying that the net was scrubbed of pictures...what proof do you have of that? How many pictures of any 17 year old would you expect to see?

[wtc911]

Oh, look --- his FB page is still up --- took me thirty seconds to find it again.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=3456187782&topic=7335#!/profile.php?id=1353307542

[Tex-Con-Man]

Apparently this 6’4” thug had Zimmerman on his back vulnerable beating him. I would say that is attempted murder.

If you took your version of events before a court they wouldn't allow you to simply leave out the parts of the story you don't like. This has a beginning, a middle and an end...you skipped the beginning.

You assume tavnporn is innocent gone wild . apparently you are the one judging by appearance.

I assume no such thing. But nor do I assume Zimmerman couldn't have handled things better resulting in a less tragic outcome for all involved.

[wtc911]

There is strong evidence to believe that Martin attacked Zimmerman (criminal intent) and that Zimmerman prevented, not only a potential crime (Zimmerman’s murder), but an actual crime (Zimmerman’s beating).

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Well, if there is strong evidence then it should be really easy for you ti provide a link to it.....why don't you?

[kabar]

WOW. What a difference.

[freeandfreezing]

But so far, it seems Zimmerman could have simply phoned it in and left it alone.

You are right. But "leaving it alone" has its costs to society too. After all why not just really "leave it alone" and ignore the woman screaming from the shrubs, or turn up the game on the TV when you hear gunshots outside. And no need to waste time, just tell the police officers you really didn't see or hear anything when they show up to investigate the body in the street.

There are neighborhoods where the residents "leave it alone" all the time. I doubt you would want to live in one.

Oh, and there is zero evidence that every mistake made by law enforcement officers prevents a potential crime either. I presume you wouldn't use that as a basis to recommend that law enforcement officers just "leave it alone" when they see something that is to them suspicious.

[Beagle8U]

Yes, hardly the child the media is showing.

[Tex-Con-Man]

You're selectively editing the entire series of events to leave out what led up to the fight...a significant part of the big picture. And if one is interested in the truth, you can't ignore the parts you don't like.

[hinckley buzzard]

Well. "Duty to retreat" is not very "ancient" and it has never been consistent. Some states have it and some don't and it varies a lot according to circumstances. The idea that you must flee if you can is more typical of post-modern Britain than the US.

[Beagle8U]

Well, Zimmerman didn't have the option to retreat when he shot the Yoot, he was on his back getting his face smashed in, according to the eye witness that saw it.

[wtc911]

The picture that impressed you was pulled by mods because it is not of the Trayvon Martin who was killed.

A few freepers have been knowingly re-posting it (and others). Your guess as to their motive is as good as mine.

[Tex-Con-Man]

Your missing the distinction I'm making.

Had Martin done any of those things you described, there would be no issue whatsoever. I would go even further and say that if it turns out Zimmerman saw Martin looking into parked cars or checking into people's backyards, then he would be completely justified in following Martin. But again, so far, there doesn't seem to be evidence of actual "suspicious activity" to warrant Zimmerman's decision to pursue Martin.

You are right. But "leaving it alone" has its costs to society too.

...as do poor decisions...and look what this one has turned into. Sharpton couldn't be happier.

[kabar]

Does the same hold true of the pictures of Zimmerman or is that another George Zimmerman?

[kabar]

Here is the side by side pictures posted by ABC News:

Is this a picture of 17 year old Martin? Do you have a picture of the 17 year old Martin? Do you have any guess as to what ABC's movtive is to post this photo?

The initial impression for me is of a young child being killed by some guy who is pictured in what could be an orange jump suit that you usually associate with being in prison.

[wtc911]

What does that have to do with knowingly posting false pictures?

[wtc911]

Does the same hold true of the pictures of Zimmerman or is that another George Zimmerman?

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You posted the pictures -- you tell me.

[BilLies]

“However, that Zimmerman may have been losing the fight does not in and of itself mean he did not also start the fight.”

True. However, even if, big IF, he did start the fight there is no requirement that after starting a fight and in mortal danger that one is required to lay down and let someone kill you.
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[Lucas McCain]

There are links all over FR and elsewhere. Video of witness, police report, etc. If you’re too stupid to see them, I can’t help you.

[winkadink]

There’s a picture of him in his hoodie at Riehl World View which came from the Miami Herald, I think. Not the 13-yr old boy one; this hadn’t been photo-shopped yet.