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That's a Fact! The Little Grand Canyon
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 01-14-2012 | ICR

Posted on 01/17/2012 8:35:37 AM PST by fishtank

That's a Fact - Little Grand Canyon

Nearly 5 million people from all over the world visit the Grand Canyon in Arizona every year. Many believe that this 277-mile long gorge had formed over millions of years, but another famous North American landmark shows that the Grand Canyon could have been created much faster and not long ago.


TOPICS: Education; History
KEYWORDS: canyon; creationism; geology; grandcanyon; greatflood; noah; noahsflood
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Good stuff!

1 posted on 01/17/2012 8:35:43 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Imagine the water resulting from all those melting glaciers at the ending of the multiple ice ages.

At a minimum, 100x the current maximum flow, not to mention vastly larger floods from the bursting of ice dams.


2 posted on 01/17/2012 8:38:27 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: fishtank

Bush’s fault?


3 posted on 01/17/2012 8:46:35 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: SampleMan
all those melting glaciers at the ending of the multiple ice ages

Not that I believe in the ice ages, but if there were "all those melting glaciers" and no Grand Canyon, you'd sort of have to explain why the melting water or the ice found its way up to 5000 feet above sea level, and if it was there why it didn't flow downhill like water is supposed to do but instead cut a massive chasm (or really chasms, but that's another problem) in the rock.

ML/NJ

4 posted on 01/17/2012 8:50:32 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: fishtank

In advance, I’m sorry maybe.

Is this a spoof or not?


5 posted on 01/17/2012 8:51:59 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: fishtank

Aside from irritating music and jerky video, what are we to surmise from this video?


6 posted on 01/17/2012 8:53:26 AM PST by fso301
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To: fishtank
Codswallop. There is a significant difference between the energy (and time) needed for water to erode solid rock versus unconsolidated ash and mud as is found at Mt. St. Helens. While the structures appear superficially similar, the substrates are as different as beach sand and sandstone.
7 posted on 01/17/2012 8:55:18 AM PST by stormer
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To: ml/nj
Huh? Water finds “its way up” in mysterious objects called “clouds”. And the process you don't seem to be considering is the uplift of land due to tectonic forces and isostatic rebound; for practical purposes the river stays at the same relative height and gradient while the land raises on either side.
8 posted on 01/17/2012 9:07:27 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Not to mention the marine fossils....


9 posted on 01/17/2012 9:18:47 AM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: ml/nj
The rim of the Grand canyon IS downhill from the Colorado river catch area. Melt water from further north follows that path now, and it followed it before.

Many of the erosion features that make no sense given current water flows suddenly become logical when you consider ice age melt.

The Colorado river has cut canyons all the way up to where it begins. Also when you drive through a river valley that goes south from the glacial areas, you see that the modern river actually winds between ancient river banks that are sometimes miles wide. There are no current flooding levels that come close to explaining those ancient river banks.

10 posted on 01/17/2012 9:19:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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This morning the little creek that borders my land is running like a roaring freight train,and is carrying a lot of dirt and debris. normally only a foot or two deep and maybe ten feet wide is is out of its banks and running a couple hundred feet wide ! All because of about six hours of intense rainstroms in the area;now think about what 40 days and 40 nights of rain might do!!!


11 posted on 01/17/2012 9:26:23 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: fishtank
If you measure the water flow through the river and average it over a year, you might come up with a long time period to carve out the canyon. What we don't know is what was the water flow when the cutting was going on.

What if,.....and inland sea, like the Great Salt Lake broke it's banks and rushed to find sea level? How long would several square miles of water take to find sea level,.... a few days? Did Salt Lake spring a leak and form the Salt Flats? If there were and inland sea that lost it's banks, the canyon could have been carved very fast and then slow to nothing as the river slowed to today's speed.

A very convincing case can be made for a young canyon as well as an old canyon. Science has now degenerated to a political bias that will alter data and physically cover up facts to keep the old bias. Just think of the problems caused if some facts were uncovered that proved a young earth? History books, science funding, ect. How stupid would they look having to change the spiel the park rangers spew every day?

I have so many books in my library that have been PROVEN bogus that I am dubious on every claim today. Every few months there is a headline that says everything has changed and must be re evaluated. Using imagination to come up with a theory is easier than relying on facts. Unless they can come up with facts showing the river flow rate, they are just making up the time element. I've personally seen hundreds of feet of dirt washed away in one or two days, so we don't really know how big the deluge was or even if there were more than one. We already know for a fact that many inland seas have broken lose, we just don't know for sure if the Canyon was formed by that or a river cutting for millions of years. Why are we pretending to know for sure?

12 posted on 01/17/2012 9:33:31 AM PST by chuckles
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To: stormer
Huh? Water finds “its way up” in mysterious objects called “clouds”. And the process you don't seem to be considering is the uplift of land due to tectonic forces and isostatic rebound; for practical purposes the river stays at the same relative height and gradient while the land raises on either side.

Nice try.

But all you're doing is repeating the (current) conventional wisdom about how the Grand Canyon was formed.

You completely ignored for reasons not clear the idea which I was responding to which was that glaciers had some role in the creation/formation of the Grand Canyon. Glaciers are rivers of ice. Glaciers do not fall from the sky, nor does the runoff from glaciers fall from the sky.

But thanks for playing.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 01/17/2012 9:35:36 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: chuckles
I have so many books in my library that have been PROVEN bogus that I am dubious on every claim today.

Good line! I may pretend I thought of it myself sometime.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 01/17/2012 9:39:37 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: hoosierham
[N]ow think about what 40 days and 40 nights of rain might do!!!

Or, spend a Summer in Maine and find out.

15 posted on 01/17/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by Grut
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To: ml/nj

Fossil Fish capital of the world is Kemmerer, WY, just south of Jackson and the Grand Tetons...portions of the west were under water completely.


16 posted on 01/17/2012 10:09:25 AM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: SampleMan

Colorado River begins at Granby, CO, just south of Rocky Mountain Nat Park and goes west towards Steamboat Springs, been there. What about Black Canyon of the Gunnison?


17 posted on 01/17/2012 10:12:38 AM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf
Fossil Fish capital of the world is Kemmerer, WY, just south of Jackson and the Grand Tetons...portions of the west were under water completely.

That's nice.

Even if this were true, what would it have to do with glaciers and my comment?

ML/NJ

18 posted on 01/17/2012 10:30:38 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: CIDKauf
Colorado River begins at Granby, CO, just south of Rocky Mountain Nat Park and goes west towards Steamboat Springs, been there. What about Black Canyon of the Gunnison?

There may still be some old-timers who dispute that. What is now the Colorado River in Colorado used to be called the Grand River, and the name is reflected in nearby place names such as Grand Junction and Grand Mesa. The Colorado River flowed southwest from where the Grand River and the Green River met in Utah. Some relatives of mine who lived in Colorado refused to call the Grand River by its new name after it was changed in the 1920's.

In 1961, I rode in a 1954 Studebaker station wagon up a dirt road at the bottom of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. The scenery was spectacular--sheer cliffs on either side of the Gunnison River, with its rapids. Today, that road is at the bottom of the Blue Mesa reservoir.

19 posted on 01/17/2012 10:32:34 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: CIDKauf

Yep, I rafted it last July. A nice canyon already exist by the time you get 35 nm miles from Granby to Kremmling.


20 posted on 01/17/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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