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2nd test affirms faster-than-light particles
CBSnews.com ^ | November 18, 2011 | Brian Vastag

Posted on 11/18/2011 11:53:59 AM PST by TN4Liberty

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To: Vigilanteman

I don’t miss him.
Trafficant was entertaining but he was still a crook rat.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 12:12:04 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jpl

There is no way! Einstein himself used this in computations. Science cannot be wrong again. Say it isn’t so. Isn’t anything settled anymore.


22 posted on 11/18/2011 12:13:14 PM PST by taterjay
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To: TN4Liberty
Just wondering how you can measure something that goes faster than the speed of light with instruments that only can only measure up to the speed of light.

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23 posted on 11/18/2011 12:13:27 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: TN4Liberty

I’ve never bought into the SOL limit.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 12:14:36 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: lormand

I try to keep up on some of this stuff, as much as I can, but I don’t have the advanced math to follow it all.

Many of the newer interpretations say that not only is FTL possible, it’s also necessary.

Some of them are Kaluza-Klein models with a few more dimensions than 5, it’s looking like they don’t need 11 or more. String theory is actually dying on the vine, sort of, as more classical explanations are starting to fill the void.


25 posted on 11/18/2011 12:14:36 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: chesley
"He's dead Jim."


26 posted on 11/18/2011 12:14:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, imagine a distance whereby light needs 1 hour to travel the distance but it takes only a half hour.


27 posted on 11/18/2011 12:16:21 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: TN4Liberty

What does Sheldon from “The Big Bang Theory” have to say about this?


28 posted on 11/18/2011 12:19:33 PM PST by Fair Paul
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To: mylife

I would just guard against saying that this new discovery is now the new upper limit of what is possible in terms of speed.


29 posted on 11/18/2011 12:19:33 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: SkyDancer

distance / time


30 posted on 11/18/2011 12:22:10 PM PST by EEGator
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To: jeffc

“I tried looking up this information, but found nothing much: what makes light travel at any given speed; what governs it? Is it the maximum speed of an electron in orbit around a nucleus?”

It comes from examining Maxwell’s equations, which completely define electromagnetic behavior. The speed of light (c) is an integral part of these equations...and is necessary to get all the rest of the measurement bits to fit. Einstein’s gift was to examine how one would have to “warp” these equations in order to explain what you would see if you observed an EM wave whilst moving...and the warping is the famous time change. The “speed limit” also arose from these equtions. Now, this speed limit is attached to things with mass, and also appears to be associated with the transmission of “information”.

We’ve already got examples of “something” happening at greater than light speeds when examining quantum interconnectedness...but this “something” does not carry information with it.

Things out there are much weirder than we know...which is what makes physics so fascinating.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 12:22:54 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: TN4Liberty
How DARHT Works
32 posted on 11/18/2011 12:26:02 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (For years the Left protested "the occupation of Iraq"- now they want to "Occupy" all across the US)
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To: TN4Liberty

“Men make plans...God laughs”


33 posted on 11/18/2011 12:26:12 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: lormand
As Shakespeare's Hamlet says:

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (Hamlet Act 1, Scene 5).

I never cease to be amazed at the overweaning arrogance of scientists who think that they can "know" the mysteries of God's universe.

34 posted on 11/18/2011 12:26:12 PM PST by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Quite right. This second experiment presumably measures time-of-flight in the same way as the first one did - and I'm betting there's an incorrect assumption (or perhaps subtle equipment malfunction) in that measurement.

I think I recall reading that they didn't take the orbital motion of the GPS satellites into account, with respect to the difference in inertial reference frame of the GPS clock and the surface clock. They apparently calculated as if the GPS clocks were on the ground, not in orbit.

Ah yes, here we are:

Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos Result of GPS Movement

The motion, once factored in, came to almost exactly the time difference they measured in the neutrino arrival.

35 posted on 11/18/2011 12:30:14 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TN4Liberty
...more tests are needed, and on other experimental setups.

This is how science is supposed to be done. Get a result. Try to determine how it could be in error. Fix that. Get the result again. Get a different team with a different set of equipment. Replicate the experiment. Compare the data. Check, question, recheck.

Now, compare that to how "Climate Science" is done. Invent a hypothesis. If the data do not support the hypothesis, discard the data. If anyone questions the hypothesis, label him/her a "Denier" and refuse to let him/her publish. Design a computer model to "confirm" the hypothesis. Refuse to let anyone see the code for the model.

36 posted on 11/18/2011 12:30:14 PM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: chesley
Einstein doesn’t care. He’s dead.
But what if death means your soul is no longer bound by a body which aheres to the theory of relativity and thus is freed to move faster than the speed of light?
37 posted on 11/18/2011 12:34:12 PM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Have they accounted for the GPS errors? The GPS satellites have relavistic errors in the same range as the apparent ‘faster than light’ measurement; which would explain why they seem ‘faster than the speed of light’ but aren’t.

If your accurate clocks are skewed by 32 nanoseconds, due to GPS relativistic errors, this will more than make up for the reported increase.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-10/dutch-physicist-says-special-relativity-explains-faster-light-neutrinos


38 posted on 11/18/2011 12:34:20 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Adams
We already knew that Einstein was wrong.

LLS

39 posted on 11/18/2011 12:34:32 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: jeffc

Electrons really don’t orbit around the nucleus of an atom.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 12:35:01 PM PST by bagman
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