Posted on 09/23/2011 5:44:03 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
A republican friend of mine is pissed off at me because I told them straight up that if Romney got the nomination, he won't get my vote. I'm not cutting off my nose to spite my face. So then the usual lecture came out "if you vote third party or stay home, what you're really doing is voting for obama".
I thought to myself about this prospect. Really?
If I vote zero times for Romney, I'm really voting once for Obama?
So then obviously, if I vote once for Obama, I'm really voting twice for Obama?
This is truely interesting math indeed.
Get real!
A Conservative Party will have varying degrees of conservatism, some of which you may not like.
You need to stand on principle and convince others to share those principles.
It would be better to work within the Republican Party and chnage it. You need to understand that there will always be RINOS, CINOS, etc. in any party. Some people are unwilling to do the right thing or can’t determine the right thing.
What are you doing to change the GOP to follow conservative principles?
“Working together” goes both ways. I, and many more here have bitten the bullet many times in the spirit of “working together” and the only ones getting anything out of this deal seem to be the partisan Republicans, and then don’t seem one bit interested in having anything to do with us once they’ve got that vote. It’s getting pretty damned old.
No thanks. I vote in the primaries and in the local elections for conservative candidates.
If the GOP nominates a liberal like McCain for president again they will not get my support. I vote on principle, not on party loyalty.
I never said you did endorse Obama Jr. Can you answer my question now? Even better, lemme phrase it simply. How does voting for obama’s lil brother help shape this country, assuming you disagree with Obama.
Boehner, is that you?
You sound just like a typical establishment Republican, who’s willing to sacrifice principles over paltry gains.
Is there going to be anyting to this argument more substantial than the standard list of truisms?
I think we've all probably seen them all before, trotted out right before every election.
Yes. The math is correct and explains a lot of the candidates’ and parties’ behaviors.
You have a base that won’t vote for other candidate no matter what. If you sacrifice (lose) one vote from the base, to gain a vote from the “mushy middle” from your opponent, you gain TWO votes - your opponent loses one, and you gain one - for a net gain of one vote.
That’s why both parties routinely screw their base. The “mushy middle” vote is more valuable.
Interesting. You equate a conscious decision to withhold approval of a given candidate with apathetic disengagement.
Do you not check to see what fillings are in the sandwich before biting it?
I’m not exactly sure what you are wanting me to say. You have obviously labeled a specific person as Obama’s lil brother (I have no idea who this is as you came up with the handle) and I assume that you mean Romney by Obama Jr per the previous replies to me. If you feel that EVERYONE currently running for president is Obama’s lil brother or Obama Jr then maybe you could vote a write-in of your choice. Just a suggestion. That’s what it is available for.
I see several candidates whom I like and do not see as Obama jr or his lil brother. My point and my answer to your question is that we must not just lay down and not vote because the candidate we support does not get nominated, if that should happen. Obama must be defeated and we know his supporters will be voting.
Huh? I just said if you decide not to vote, you lose your right to bitch and moan.
I've got a neighbor that is constantly complaining about Obama. I asked him if he voted for Obama or McCain and he said, "Hell, no, I couldn't vote for either one of them so I didn't vote at all!"
Well, guess what, pal? Anything you say after that falls on deaf ears. If you can't take it upon yourself to cast a vote, ANY VOTE... FOR ANYBODY, in the election... You lose your right to bitch and moan. If you throw away your right to be heard at the ballot box, you're just blowing smoke and you throw away your right to be heard, period.
Call it what you want, but the truth is it's lazy and pathetic.
The coming election has much to do with what is going to happen on the SCOTUS.
I hear you you, but some states have laws that they won’t count write in votes. So, what would be the point of voting for ANYBODY as you suggest, even if it’s a write-in when that vote won’t be counted anyway.
You are entitled to your opinion, FRiend.
Nice try at framing the dabate so that conservatives stay on the R plantation, no matter what form of excrement sandwich we are served.
You’re not voting on principle. I dare say you don’t even understand the meaning of the word.
When November 2012 rolls around, you have a choice between Obama and the Republican. Nobody else has a chance of being elected. If you do not vote for the Republican, then you are the Union soldier who refused to fire his weapon at the Confederate soldier. You can say it’s “principle” but a conservative who does not vote for the more conservative candidate is helping the more liberal candidate. Those are the facts.
You may now resume your implicit support of Obama.
And Sarah Palin will pick a solid conservative.
Enjoy!
Please - you go on and vote for your RINO if you want to. Your analogy of the civil war is pathetic. There’s hardly any difference between Romney and Obama, so don’t try to paint some herioc war picture as if voting for Romney is the equivalent of ending slavery. How can you say Romney is the “more conservative” candidate - that’s a crock.
The facts are the GOP is doomed if it keeps nominating liberals. The GOP needs a wakeup call that it can’t take conservatives for granted. It needs to fight on principle and not compromise so often.
You may now resume your continuous support of the liberal-lite, loser GOP party. What you fail to see is that a Romney presidency won’t be any better than an Obama presidency in the long run.
I’m sorry I asked a very simple question and you’ve proven unable to even figure out the question. I just cant deal with stupid people, and you’re it. Thanks anyway.
You have a nice day.
If you choose to stay home or not to cast your vote in such a way as to make it most likely that Zero will be out in 2012, then you are part of the problem!
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