Posted on 07/31/2011 7:38:56 PM PDT by Perdogg
"Before conservatives go criticising this agreement consider what would have happened if Pelosi, Reid and Obama were still in control."
What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH?
Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.
During all this, I am reminded of President George Herbert Walker Bush and his “deal” with the democRATs. He sigend a tax increase expecting democRATs to live up to their part of the bargain (cap spending). Once the tax increase was signed, the democRATs lifted the caps. Republicans are about to get snookered again.
During all this, I am reminded of President George Herbert Walker Bush and his “deal” with the democRATs. He signed a tax increase expecting democRATs to live up to their part of the bargain (cap spending). Once the tax increase was signed, the democRATs lifted the caps. Republicans are about to get snookered again.
The speed in which he appears to have caved, from swearing in, to this, is just short of stunning. Seriously, somebody must have hijacked his Twitter account (and I dont mean Rep. Weiner-like)....
This used to be an uplifting place to come to but lately it’s full of the most defeatest, negative, pessimistic thinking people around. It’s very depressing. To a lot of posters here the glass is not only not half full it doesn’t even have a drop in it. I think some of them are so used to getting outsmarted that they just can’t see that we won this one.
I still say this is a good deal that Republicans got considering we only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. The only thing Obama got that he wanted was to extend it past the next election. Frankly I also think that is in our favor because he will continue to screw up the economy so bad that unless we do something stupid we have an excellent chance to take both the senate and the white house and then we can really do some serious cutting. And by doing something stupid I mean having conservatives sit out the next election because they are to busy sitting at home pouting and sulking that we didn’t cut 10 trillion dollars up front.
Duh. They still are in control. You just don’t get it, allen. No new spending. Live within our means. Ya just gave the Dems a bunch of money to spend.
I thought they were in control.
The lib’s rewards are immediate, tangible, quantifiable, and not subject to any further action by any other group or individual.
The Conservative’s rewards are some time in the future, in terms to be decided later, by people equally divided in world-view as they are now, and completely impossible to quantify.
And the law says that when two equally powerful forces that can block legislation are at odds, the conservatives must always yield, because they are always the ones which care about the possible effects of a broken deal.
The libs need not compromise, because it is not the “deal” that they are after, it is the chaos.
In what way is this deal different from when the libs held both houses?
Are there any specifics we can point to?
A pox on them all, if they support this.
They need to realize that the end of the world is not nigh, and the chaos needs to happen to bring peace. God bless the Tea Partiers, hobbits one and all.
Saying that we have 1/2 of 1/3 of government is Boehner misinformation.
The Republicans actually have 1/3 of government.
One can say that we have 1/3 of government, since we control the House.
Or one can say that we have 1/3 of government, since we control ~~ 1/2 the House and ~~1/2 the Senate.
What about the GOP-controlled House criticizing the Democrats and Obama instead of criticizing the Tea Party folks?
What about the GOP-controlled House describing the deal for what it is, dangerous to the future of our country, instead of slapping themselves on the back?
What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH? Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.
You didn't answer the questions that I asked you. Answer the questions.
Well actually aren’t there 3 branchs of government? Legislative, Executive and Judicial? We control 1/2 of the legislative branch, or, 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. What am I missing?
But what we DO control is the House of Representatives -- the one body with a veto-proof stranglehold on federal spending. All spending bills must originate in the House, period. While the Senate may reject a House bill and the President may the veto a bill passed by both houses, not a penny can be appropriated unless it was first authorized by the House.
But let's say those scary, mean Senators reject the House budget... So what? The Senate can't originate its own version -- so if the Senate won't ultimately go along, nothing gets appropriated. And let's say the big, bad President vetoes a bill passed by both houses. So what? He can't spend what hasn't been appropriated. While the President may veto a bill, he cannot veto the absence of a bill -- so if the House fails to appropriate funds in the first place, the President can't do a damned thing about it.
The House of Representatives holds the ultimate power of the purse. The simple problem is that GOP "leaders" lack the courage to wield that power as the Founders designed it. We have chosen poorly, and we are about to suffer terribly for our poor choices...
Yikes. Yup.
So why does Boehner bring up the Judicial Branch? Isn't that irrelevant when it comes to passing a budget?
Isn't it more accurate to describe the Republican control of the budget process as being ~1/3?
In 2006 the voters went to the polls and decided to put a majority in Congress. In 2008 they again went to the polls and along with the Democrats they decided that they wanted an American hater and in all probability a muslim and socialistts to preside over them. Shit such as this is the result.
Stupid actions result in disasterous consequences.
I believe it is Thomas Jefferson that is credited with te saying,"You don't always get the Government you want, but, you always get the Government you deserve." As evidenced by the results of the 2008 election, this describes us to a tee.
The free ride is drawing to a close as the wheels are coming off the gravytrain.
My advice to anyone who lives where there is a large population of restless natives is to leave. You may have to leave withjust the shirt on your back, but at least you will have your ass and life. Remain and you will lose both of them. Advice along these lines was given to a segment of the population of a European Country in the early 1030's it was largely ignored and history attests to the results.
what would happen?
umm... they’d spend $100 billion more each year in addition to the $4.4 trillion you’ve agreed to?
umm... thanks?
AA Marine, you must be one of those "drama queens" that VDK was talking about.;)
That’s fair. I don’t think of the judicial branch as being a part of the budget process either but technically people that say that are correct. I’m not a huge Boehner fan, I would have preferred one of the younger members be the speaker, but they aren’t. I’m just trying to decide in my own mind the best way to ultimately achieve what we all want, that being to cut spending in a permanent, responsible way. And in my mind the best way to do that is to win the senate and the white house in 2012 and I think the best way to do that is by taking what we can get now and after the elections of 2012 make the major changes we want. Others have different thoughts but all the threats of sitting out elections and name calling to me are not productive to our side in the long run. That’s just me.
He was our hero because he had principles. Mine haven’t changed. Who’s the real schizophrenic?
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