Posted on 07/29/2011 5:51:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker
IDC and Strategy Analytics today officially confirmed what was unofficially revealed last week: Apple has ousted Nokia as the largest smartphone maker in the world. The company sold 20.3 million iPhones last quarter, up 142 percent from the same quarter a year earlier, and according to Strategy Analytics that gives it an 18.5 percent share of the worldwide smartphone market — greater than Nokia’s 15.2 percent share, which has fallen by more than half since last year.
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Sleep well! Hopefully no nightmares of a world where everyone goes back to Motorola analog bricks a-la Miami Vice...:)
Yeah, yeah, big deal - so does Bill Gates! And at the rate the US Government is going, I'd say most FReepers will join those ranks shortly, too! :)
I was talking about the Samsung. It was a mistake on my part.
No problem, I thought it might be. Hard to keep track with all the lawsuits bouncing around in the phone-space!
I will, however, be interested to see if Swordmaker will admit his error as well, about the HTC phones being clones of the iPhone, and his post of all those phones. Perhaps he was mistaken as well, and will admit it. A few run-ins with him here already tell me it probably won’t happen, but if it does I’ll offer a mea culpa right now and another one after his admission...
I would say there is a more than pretty solid case that the top of the line offerings from each of the major Android manufacturers is equal to the iPhone 4 and their previous generation phones are at least equal to the 3Gs which you can still get I believe.
The claim is that these are phones that are INFRINGING DESIGN PATENTS. These specific models that I posted are named in the lawsuit Apple has filed against HTC, similar to the one filed against Samsung, whatever the terminology. The list of the HTC phones targeted was taken from court documents and is not even complete. . . It's just a sampling.
There are similar design patent lawsuits filed against several other Android phone makers having to do with both the phone look and feel, and the software look and feel, wending their way through the courts in several countries as well as the US. The Samsung lawsuit is the one that has progressed the furthest, with the HTC close on its heels.
I am retracting nothing about those facts. I have no need to retract. They are the facts, regardless how YOU want to spin it.
I don't care. It's an HTC phone that is listed as "infringing one or more of Apple's design patents" whether it's running Android or Windows7 OS. According to case law, adding features to a design does not invalidate the infringing of the design patent. Sorry. Just adding another bell or whistle doesn't get the off the infringement hook. You may not agree with that, but that IS the law.
Where DO you get your factoids??? Since when is June 7, 2007, the date that HTC TouchFLO announcement articles start appearing on Google, after January 8, 2007, the announcement date of the iPhone? And why is there an article dated June 27, 2008, entitled "HTC TouchFLO finally works!" one of the first hits? Wickipedia describes HTC TouchFLO as a touch screen interface that allows one to slide one's finger around the screen to make a selection on mobile devices. It preceded HTC TouchFLO 3d. WOW. Usually when someone (you?) uses the phrase "everyone knows" it is followed by something that is untrue.
One outlying analyst in Germany from three months ago does not translate to "quite a bit of data", Sidelines...
Cool - go ahead and create your strawmen, attack them, and claim victory. If that passes for “logic and reason” with you, then you’re pretty messed up...
Itsahoot admitted he was mistaken, as I thought he was; apparently the all-powerful Swordmaker though, can never admit an error or admit that he is now trying to shift from error to strawman.
So be it... I’m out.
You should know something before you make such a claim. Why do you think HTC and Apple are in fighting International Trade Commission patent courts??? HTC just LOST two patent infringement and eight more have been remanded to the regular courts for trial.
Now tell me what those two patents (which are being appealed to an actual court, not the ITC) have to do with cloning the iPhone. Go ahead, do it.
Face it, itsahoot make a legitimate mistake - it happens. You bulled your way in, tried to do a save, only to get caught by your own failure to understand.
I took very precise and quoted exception to the “HTC is a clone of the iPhone” statement. You apparently wanted to defend that statement, even when the original poster admitted it’s an error.
Or are you saying your response to my question wasn’t related to my question at all, but an entirely different issue (otherwise known as that favorite of trolls - the strawman argument)?
It’s OK to say you were wrong, but there is a different issue you want to talk about. Really. Bigger men do it. How about you, Swordmaker?
He's not mistaken, nor am I. Samsung and HTC were BOTH sued by Apple. Go ahead and leave, claiming whatever you want. You're the one who is wrong here, in spades! Not us.
It's amazing how much you post that is just false!
REALLY? Perhaps you need to update your ability to follow a thread, Swordmaker. Really, ego is important but you really need to get yours checked...
Post 7, where itsahoot claims "that the HTC is a clone of the iPhone".
Post 9, where I post "Huh? Which HTC? They have a few dozen models, you know... "
Post 16 where itsahoot clarifies "PS I was referring to the patent case that apparently Apple won against Samsung"
Post 18 where I post "Cool, so it wasn’t HTC - it was Samsung. Fair enough."
Post 21 where you address my statement in post 9 "HTC phones named in Apple's design patent lawsuit:"
Now, you tell me - itsahoot admitted he mistook HTC for Samsung. We got over that. Then you came blazing in and continued to pick that same fight AFTER ITSAHOOT ALREADY ADMITTED HE MADE A MISTAKE.
But no, you can never admit you were wrong, or that your post was based on a mistake by another. Not the almightly Swordmaker! No - never!
So then you try to shift to different issues, attack different posts, and obfuscate the truth.
The TRUTH is that you came late to a discussion, got emotional and responded before you actually had all the facts, and now cannot own up to your own errors. You cannot admit "oops, already corrected in posts 16 and 18" and let it go at that. Oh no, never!
You've proven you don't read entire threads before replying, that you cannot stay on point, and that your ego cannot let you admit you were wrong.
Face it, Swordmaker, even the person who's point you are 'championing' admitted their point was mistaken identity. But you can't let that go, can you?
Try saying it: "I was wrong, I'm sorry I didn't realize it was already corrected and resolved"...
The only one creating strawmen around here is you. There ARE lawsuits by Apple against HTC and Samsung, both referencing design patents and trade dress, which you claimed did not exist against HTC. There ARE lawsuits against HTC claiming exactly that. I extracted specific models named as infringing those patents, never citing Android in my post, from those lawsuit documents and posted photos of them. You then claimed some weren't Android phones to shoot down my posting: strawman and irrelevant! You implied insanity on my part in posting by implying the mere posting was "daft": that's an argumentum ad hominem fallacy. You continue that approach by implying that I will refuse to admit error when wrong. Members of the ping list will tell you that is false, and another ad hominem attack. I will always correct the record if I am in error. . . But if I'm am correct, I will defend my position. You, apparently, just keep dancing.
Good grief man give it up.
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