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Early human fossils unearthed in Ukraine
BBC ^ | June 20, 2011 | Jennifer Carpenter

Posted on 06/20/2011 6:33:23 PM PDT by decimon

Ancient remains uncovered in Ukraine represent some of the oldest evidence of modern people in Europe, experts have claimed.

Archaeologists found human bones and teeth, tools, ivory ornaments and animal remains at the Buran-Kaya cave site.

The 32,000-year-old fossils bear cut marks suggesting they were defleshed as part of a post-mortem ritual.

Archaeologist Dr Alexander Yanevich from the National Ukrainian Academy of Science in Kiev discovered the four Buran-Kaya caves in the Crimean mountains in 1991.

Since then, roughly two hundred human bone fragments have been unearthed at the site.

Among the shards of human bones and teeth, archaeologists have found ornaments fashioned from ivory, along with the abundant remains of animals.

The artefacts made by humans at the site allowed archaeologists to tie the ancient people to a cultural tradition known as the Gravettian.

This culture came to span the entire European continent and is named after the site of La Gravette in France, where this stone age culture was first studied.

Researchers were able to directly date the human fossils using radiocarbon techniques. The shape and form of the remains told the the scientists they were dealing with modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens).

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"These people had knives, lightweight tools, open air camps, they used mammoth bones to make tents," he said, adding that this was the earliest example of the Gravettian cultural tradition.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: france; godsgravesglyphs; gravettian; lagravette; paleolithic; ukraine

Teeth were among the ancient human remains found at the cave site
1 posted on 06/20/2011 6:33:27 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Skinner behavioral ping.


2 posted on 06/20/2011 6:34:10 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The 32,000-year-old fossils bear cut marks suggesting they were defleshed as part of a post-mortem ritual.

Yeah. It's called "lunch".

3 posted on 06/20/2011 6:34:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: bigheadfred

You beat me to it. I was going to say “dinner”.


4 posted on 06/20/2011 6:46:45 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: PENANCE; decimon
You beat me to it.

That's what you get when you actually take the time to read the whole article. teehee

So the cut marks are different on the humanski bones than they are on the regular fare. Unless you are living the life of Riley, I really, really doubt they are gonna spend so much time deboning Uncle Chuckroast just so they can iconify his bones. DON'T WASTE FOOD! has to be one of the top survival rules.

5 posted on 06/20/2011 7:03:08 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: bigheadfred; PENANCE

Never order the Chicken Kiev.


6 posted on 06/20/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

A big hint that I think indicates cannibalism are the missing long bones. The arms and legs are both easier to cook and less likely to contain disease if properly cooked.


7 posted on 06/20/2011 8:00:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Most interesting.


8 posted on 06/20/2011 8:06:43 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: decimon
Of course it would be easy to incorporate a little nosh into the ritual...out of respect. Defleshing was found in various cultures around the world.
9 posted on 06/20/2011 8:42:24 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: dog breath
Of course it would be easy to incorporate a little nosh into the ritual...out of respect.

"Grandma Heidi is just what you'd expect, tough but fair."

10 posted on 06/20/2011 8:50:07 PM PDT by decimon
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11 posted on 06/20/2011 9:18:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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Aren’t they really late human fossils unearthed in Ukraine?


12 posted on 06/21/2011 4:24:27 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SunkenCiv
We saw "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" over the weekend, a documentary by Werner Herzog about the incredible cave drawings from Chauvet cave in the south of France. I bring it up because the drawings are also dated to 32k years ago.

Anyone interested in this Cro Magnon period should look for this film...it will be in an art-house theater and not in the multiplex.

13 posted on 06/21/2011 5:27:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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You have to wonder if the archaeologists actually believe there was "ritual" de-fleshing; or is it just one of those academic ideas (a la AGW) that they feel they have to promote despite reality staring them in the face?

Why do some people seek to portray our savage ancestors as "noble" savages, .. rather than as very savage savages in spite of reason and evidence?

14 posted on 06/21/2011 8:04:04 AM PDT by PENANCE
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It would be interesting to know if there were ever known instances of “ritual defleshing” among modern day hunter gatherers.


15 posted on 06/21/2011 10:52:41 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: PENANCE
Why do some people seek to portray our savage ancestors as "noble" savages, .. rather than as very savage savages in spite of reason and evidence?

Especially when we all know we ALL have...ummm...skeletons in our closets.

16 posted on 06/21/2011 1:01:41 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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