Posted on 05/12/2011 10:27:35 AM PDT by howardl
Why does BHO's official biography state: "His mother, Ann Dunham, was born and raised in small-town Kansas. After her family moved to the Hawaiian Islands, she met Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan scholarship student enrolled at the University of Hawaii. The two married in 1959, and on August 4, 1961 ...."
Wikipedia says that Stanley Ann graduated from highschool in Washington state in 1960, and moved to Hawaii and started college that fall, where she met BHO senior. "Dunham and Obama Sr. were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961, despite parental opposition from both families. Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage."
Um, if you check, you will find that for years before total independence, the home nation has control of the offices such as Obama sr would have been dealing with. Now if you have something from MI5 which shows they had an interest in Obama sr then show it or stop this nonsense you keep trying to float.
I’m curious - you started posting a couple of days ago and appear to be familiar with a lot of legalese and details in connection with 0bama’s non-eligibility; yet have not taken a clear position yourself.
Where have you been reading and posting before you registered on FR?
And if you say something like “I’ve lurked on FR for a long time” I guarantee no one will believe you. If you have read here, you posted here.
If I had something from MI5 I wouldn’t be posting it.
Look, bigamy was a criminal offence in the UK and Kenya. Barack Obama, Sr, wasn’t charged with bigamy by either the British or the Kenyans. He wasn’t charged with bigamy by the INS either. It’s quite clear that both the UK and the USA thought he was “a slippery customer”. In other words they thought he was a bigamist. But they didn’t charge him with it. The only possible reason for that was that they couldn’t prove it in court.
It’s happened before and it will happen again.
That isn’t nonsense.
IMHO, the marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham was bogus and that is also a criminal offence. But again they couldn’t prove it, or they didn’t want to try, or they didn’t care. I don’t know which it was.
That isn’t nonsense either.
If you say someone committed bigamy you have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. No one has. It’s a moral certainty but not a legal one.
As for the British being interested in him, they’d be interested in the son of an Al Quaida, or Taliban member, that’s a racing certainty. They’d jailed his father on terrorism charges in 1949, so they’d have seen him in the same light. Doesn’t matter whether his father was guilty or not, or whether I think it was right to jail Kenyan nationalists or not.
No nonsense in that view.
FROM THE INTRODUCTION:
Although much of this book is based on
contemporaneous journals or the oral histories of my family, the dialogue is necessarily an approximation of what was actually said or relayed to me. For the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people I’ve known, and some events appear out of precise chronology. With the exception of my family and a handful of public figures, the names of most characters have been changed for the sake of their privacy.
‘DREAMS FROM MY FATHER’ IS NOT AN AUTOBIOGRPAHY.
Sorry, but I haven’t posted before, anywhere. Believe it, or not, as you like.
I had a mate who was into the whole issue, so I heard a lot about it a while back.
The INS files got me fascinated again, so I read around. I’ve seen files like that before, used to be a part of my job. A bogus marriage if I’ve ever seen one, and a bad, bad, man too. He needed a “marriage”, she needed a husband. I get that.
As for my view on the President, I’m kind of agnostic. There are so many lies/misconceptions and misdirections on both sides I find it hard to make up my mind.
There’s certainly something very wrong with President Obama’s narrative. I’m about 95% certain he either isn’t eligible, or he has some kind of legal problem related to his citizenship. Damned if I know what though.
Why are the birth certificates so screwed with? They are.
Why are all the dates so screwed with? They are.
Why are the details so foggy? They are.
I’ve got a suspicious mind. There’s a twist in the whole deal but I can’t make out what it is.
Not to say I don’t have a couple of ideas though.
I’d look at Indonesia rather than Kenya.
I’d look at the 14th Amendment and International law rather than Article II eligibility.
I’d think about the whole thing being misdirection.
I’d do that because we’re being directed to look at Kenya and Article II.
Why an admission against interest?
Why are we always made to look at Barack Obama, Sr, and not Lolo Soetoro?
Whoulda thunk Myspace would be of interest any more ?
I think you have some particular motive at play other than as stated.
I think Ayers’ book is mostly fiction little bits of fact tossed in. I think that the Kenyan Obama’s marriage to Stanley Ann, whatever it may have been, was for convenience for each of them, and other than the papers - whatever way they might have arranged it - they had no relationship at all.
Think I’ll give up though. I know when I’ve outstayed my welcome.
Here are a couple notes to add to the confusion:
1. ‘Dreams from My Father’ Ch 1 states “He [Obama Sr.] had left Hawaii back in 1963, when I was only two years old, so that as a child I knew him only through the stories that my mother and grandparents told.”
Obama Sr was supposed to have left Hawaii in 1962 and not 1963.
2. In the book ‘The Dream Begins: How Hawai’I shaped Barack Obama’ Ch 7 pg 69, Obama himself states “My father, who I didn’t know, returned to KENYA when I was just two [1963].”
This passage shows that Obama can’t even keep the phony story straight.
I agree with you 100% about the book being mostly fiction and the marriage too. They had less than no relationship.
Good points.
Things before 1964 are a mess. But the March 1964 divorce would have caused the records to be cleaned up. Officially, the records in Hawaii reflect the same information in the certificates. Whether they are real or not. And likely not.
Indonesia is the gateway to the real issues. Indonesia terrified the Obama team in late 2006 and 2007.
Passport break-ins, bad social security numbers, relationships with WUO members who were experts at identity fraud, 999-99-xxxx SS numbers used by foreign national students in colleges.
Lolo, Indonesia and Oxy. Something is there - and it is still hidden. And it is damning.
If you have something to add, why not stick around and add it? If you have ideas, info, insights, gut feelings, evidence, thoughts - why leave?
Indonesia has to be the problem. Lots of misdirection, too much for it not to be.
Why did the O Team say Lolo and Stanley Ann got married in 67/68?
They got married in 65.
Why do some Americans confuse the Philippines with Indonesia?
Where was Stanley Ann Dunham in 1964/65?
Why did she make so much effort to keep Lolo in the USA?
She didn’t give the impression she liked the USA that much.
Indonesia is not the only problem. The entire myth is a problem.
No baby or young toddler photos of Zero with Stanley Ann. Or the putative grandparents. Not one.
This is not true. The PI was mentioned in the immigration documents. An immigration clerk is not going to confuse the PI with HI. Nope.
A myth contains a truth, a legend might not.
The narrative is as phony as a Nigerian phishing trip.
Obama Sr’s immigration files indicated he had communicated to those administering his grant/stipend?/visa to go to college that in Kenya, no formal divorce was required, merely a verbal command from the man to the woman and the divorce was final.
Fair enough. I’d seen it happen, I wondered if it might not have happened in this case.
I met an FCO clerk once who thought Latakia was in Cyprus. Made me wonder.
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