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Weak Arguments That Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Is Fake
Jeff Winston | 4/28/2011 | Jeff Winston

Posted on 04/27/2011 11:23:48 PM PDT by Jeff Winston

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To: Jeff Winston

I can hardly believe my eyes. Thank you for posting this. Many other FReepers have encountered the same today, well yesterday now, and have not been able to process some of the sheer stupidity, stubborness, and outright deceit. This needed to be said. The folly demonstrated today on the eligibility threads is going to tear apart FR if we don’t address it.


41 posted on 04/28/2011 12:26:56 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: Jeff Winston

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1566#1566


42 posted on 04/28/2011 12:29:28 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Jeff Winston

I’m talking about reverse engineering from the original, on a desktop. Take maybe an hour. To do likewise the old-school way with a xerox and a darkroom, considerably longer.


43 posted on 04/28/2011 12:29:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Jeff Winston

he talked about the blurring of the watermark pattern near the center and how its clear at the edges, he talked about the lack of color around the blown up text illustrating that those text was transposed and not a color scan and it can’t be a grayscale scan because theres obviously color in the background


44 posted on 04/28/2011 12:31:29 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: LucyT
20. It looks like a birth certificate may have been forged for Obama, using the birth certificate number for a little girl named Virginia Sunahara? She was born on August 4, 1961 and died on August 5.

This is an interesting line of inquiry (and it would be worth looking who else was born that week). However, the complaint about Obama's birth certificate number is that it is out of sequence with the Nordyke twins, who were born almost 19 hours later, but who had birth certificate numbers 637 and 638 against Obama's number 641.

The obvious problem with this is that Virginia Sunahara, like Obama, was born on August 4. Therefore, if there is a problem with his birth certificate number being out of sync with that of the Nordyke twins, the exact same problem if that number had actually been assigned to Virginia Sanahara. If a birth certificate had been manufactured for Obama, her number would be a good candidate, as she was born on August 4, died on August 5, and apparently has no remaining relatives to complain. However, this is not an answer to the number sequence issue.

45 posted on 04/28/2011 12:37:15 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: 4rcane

Thanks! More evidence piling up. This story ain’t going away, in fact it’s going to get a lot bigger.

I could see impeachment, race riots... really nasty stuff. Maybe the Mayans were right about the year 2012?


46 posted on 04/28/2011 12:39:22 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: GunRunner
"Keep it up Jeff. That post took some effort. "

I agree completely. That doesn't mean that I am in agreement that it's a true BC. Maybe it is not yet obviously false. But "The One" has the full abilities of the US government available to produce a passable forgery, at whatever cost to us.

47 posted on 04/28/2011 12:40:40 AM PDT by matthew fuller (I hereby nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: aquila48

I don’t see ppl will be rioting over the impeachment of OBama over birth cerificate. I do see a riot over all the money printing leading to high oil/food prices, high unemployment, crashing USD


48 posted on 04/28/2011 12:41:34 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Jeff Winston
Great job. You picked up every incorrect claim that I noticed, and more.

To believe that this long form is not legitimate requires moving beyond the perfectly reasonable speculation that Obama was trying to hide something in his birth documents, to unreasonable speculation that a group of people in the Hawaiian Department of Health have conspired with Obama to foist a forgery on the American public. Very unlikely.

For Obama to wait until now to release his long form is, as you say, inexcusable. Every American should learn what Obama did to Dr. Terrence Lakin. Obama's years of ignoring Certifigate caused a substantial portion of the American public to doubt his legitimacy in office. This shows terrible leadership, and tells us plenty about his arrogance.

49 posted on 04/28/2011 12:42:56 AM PDT by TChad
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To: 4rcane

“I don’t see ppl will be rioting over the impeachment of OBama over birth cerificate.”

Blacks, unionists, leftists, illegals - I’m willing to put money on it.


50 posted on 04/28/2011 12:46:08 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: LucyT

That’s obviously not “proof” that Virginia’s Sunahara’s number wasn’t lifted, only that any such lifting would not be an answer to the out-of-sequence issue. Of course, without a copy of her certificate, we have no proof of what her number was.

If someone produced a clearly authentic copy of a BC for Virginia Sunahara, and it had the same number as Obama’s, the you know what would hit the you know what.

BTW, Social Security Death Index knows of one Tomio Sunahara (and no Tomiyo), whose social security number was issued in Hawaii, and who passed away at age 43 in March of 1968.


51 posted on 04/28/2011 12:46:37 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: rolling_stone

I can blow holes in 11, 14, and 15 and likely more. I’ve seen just about everything over the last three year. I’ll do it tomorrow since it’s time to sleep. :-)


52 posted on 04/28/2011 12:46:45 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jeff Winston

Isn’t the timing of the State of Hawaii’s shutting down access to all BC’s several days ago very highly coincidental, as well as the Gov. announcing that Buckwheat’s BC couldn’t be found, although he remembered seeing it?


53 posted on 04/28/2011 12:48:38 AM PDT by matthew fuller (I hereby nominate Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Porterville
Obama's plans have worked out well. Thousands of well intentioned conservatives have devoted years of effort into chasing this birther conspiracy, attracted by the tantilising prospect of getting Obama disqualified, and now Obama has gleefully produced the goods. As a result, those independents who were wondering about the birth certificate will feel the arguement and therefore those who make it have been discredited. In short, the birthers now look like idiots. If they persist in challenging his status as a citizen they will look like Kooks as well as idiots, and indisputably they have wasted huge amounts of time and resources that could have been better spent in actually challenging what the man was doing.

Let us be absolutely honest about this. The conservative movement has been comprehensively outmanoeuvred, out-thought, and plain SUCKERED!

54 posted on 04/28/2011 12:50:49 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Jeff Winston
...and apparently has no remaining relatives to complain.

Correction: This is an unfounded statement. While her dad apparently passed away in 1968, there are more than 100 people in the State of Hawaii (and more than 200, for example, in California.) One or more of these might be a close relative.

55 posted on 04/28/2011 12:52:04 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Porterville

He’s been doing this since 2007 when Hillary Clinton and others were asking for it.


56 posted on 04/28/2011 12:52:45 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Bravo for one of the most lucid and well-thought out posts I’ve encountered on FR.


57 posted on 04/28/2011 12:55:08 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Vanders9
As a result, those independents who were wondering about the birth certificate will feel the arguement and therefore those who make it have been discredited. In short, the birthers now look like idiots. If they persist in challenging his status as a citizen they will look like Kooks as well as idiots, and indisputably they have wasted huge amounts of time and resources that could have been better spent in actually challenging what the man was doing.

You've just explained a lot of my reason for compiling the post. If people are going to challenge Obama's eligibility at this point, at least let us dispense with the obviously weak arguments that are likely to make us look like kooks, and find some good ones.

58 posted on 04/28/2011 12:55:50 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
What doesn't make sense is that obama shows another version of his BC when a "TV" personality requests it. It really is a slap on the face on our judicial system. 35 +/- lawsuits with 'no standing' and obama spending millions to stifle the cases. One LTC is in jail....

Why didn't obama show this second BC version for the first lawsuit? Is he such a wh0re for attention?

Do we need judges? TV personalities have more power.

0bama has spewed so many lies - daily- WHY should we believe him that this BC is authentic? Who did he pay off or promise eternal life to?

Why couldn't Abercrombie come up with this BC? Shouldn't he have more power than a Trump?

Soetoto kept this issue alive on purpose. It was all staged and well planned. I pity (not really) his daughters. BTW, do they still have a dog?

Today, I am ashamed of America. We are not worthy of the beautiful statue of Liberty. The French should request to have her returned.

soetoro is scum.

59 posted on 04/28/2011 12:56:47 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: tlb

Thank you so much!

Have at it, folks - I’m zonked and done for the night!


60 posted on 04/28/2011 12:56:56 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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