Okay here's my question about the birth cert... Did the hospital listed on the cert even exist?

04/27/2011 | TMMT

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

Someone on a local radio station mentioned something, I caught the last part of it, but the question asked was along the lines of did the hospital listed on Osama's BC even exist in 1961.

He seemed to hint that the hospital listed didn't get that name until 1978 when two hospitals merged together and changed their names.

Did the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital exist in 1961, or was it known by another name then?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

[Adder]

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

Read more: Unveiled! Hawaii’s 1961 long-form birth certificates http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347#ixzz1KlzlqPVZ

[Kleon]

This hospital name business if wrongheaded and ought to be dropped. It is a waste of time.

It has entered the echo chamber. There's no coming back.

[353FMG]

If Bammie’s BC is a fake, then he is getting his ass even deeper in trouble and those who did the falsification will not get off scot free.

The SS can easily determine if the document is a fake.

[gusty]

Except some of us are playing the part of Dan Rather, the birthers.

[SkyDancer]

I don’t know where this COLB thing is going but just what I’ve been reading on the scrutiny of it this is going to bi**h slap Barry big time.

[SkyDancer]

Ya, I can hear the music already .... “Aloha Oy”(vey)

[cynwoody]

Compare it to what the stamp says on the other HI birth certificates posted on FR

The stamp does not appear on the originals. It is put there when a copy is made and sent to a requesting a party. So, it is quite possible for the stamp to be signed by a different official or to have different wording.

[tired&retired]

Why did they wait to issue O’Bummers, but issued the twins right away? Twins were born the day after O’Bummer but their cert. has a lower number.

[tired&retired]

Why did they wait to issue O’Bummers, but issued the twins right away? Twins were born the day after O’Bummer but their cert. has a lower number.

[manc]

maybe but all I know is that something is iffy about all of this and his past and I bet that this corrupt media will not do their job just like they have not been thus far

[Las Vegas Ron]

Hee,hee....I don't know what is more fun to watch.

A clearly shaken Juan Williams on Hannity just now or the trolls here........tossing dice!

[SkyDancer]

I needs entertainments. This is going to be funny for a while. I just wish I could hear Rush down here. I bet he’s got a take on it. I read his web page regularly though.

[SoothingDave]

Maybe the paperwork piled up on someone’s desk and he entered the records every couple days? Maybe he didn’t bother organizing the pile chronologically since there is no way in heck it should matter what order he entered them.

Occam’s razor isn’t a new product from Gillette.

[chicken head]

i almost pissed my pants laughing when i scrolled down and saw that photo— my side hurts from laughing at that

[Mike Darancette]

The solution is simple find HI BC’s from the time and place of Obama’s birth and see what the hospital name is.

[Vendome]

This whole BC thing is a put up.  A Fairy Tail!

 

It's a slight of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.

 

But, think of it.  There are three that are known to exist or have existed and has at least two in his possessoin:

 

• The Birth Certificate that was submitted for his admission into the Hawaiian school system.  The files containing that BC and his records for immunization are sealed by court order on MuBarak's requrest.

 

• "If" he used an American Passport for travel to Indonesia and Pakistan, when he turned 18, he would have a copy of his birth certificate from that event.

 

• He absolutely has a Birth Certificate, in it's original black & white format, that "He Found" Among His Mother's belongings, when she passed in 1995.

 

• A friend just reminded me that one gets married they are required to present a Long Form Birth Certificate!!!  NO KIDDING!??  I had completely overlooked that!!!

 

• I do wonder if he had to submit another BC when he returned back to the Hawaii school system to re-enter school???

 

 

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes.  That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
•  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.

 

We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!

 

That is what we are after at a minimum.

 

Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship.  He proudly admits as much.

 

That means if we were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship.  We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if had under those circumstances.

 

You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.

 

He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen".  Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1566#1566

[Adder]

I can only speculate: the woman said she was in labor before zero’s mom. I can see that a form could be started routinely in anticipation of the birth[s].
It was released because she or someone gave them permission.