Okay here's my question about the birth cert... Did the hospital listed on the cert even exist?

04/27/2011 | TMMT

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

Someone on a local radio station mentioned something, I caught the last part of it, but the question asked was along the lines of did the hospital listed on Osama's BC even exist in 1961.

He seemed to hint that the hospital listed didn't get that name until 1978 when two hospitals merged together and changed their names.

Did the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital exist in 1961, or was it known by another name then?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

[manc]

agreed but many still will not accept it and tell others who ask and want certification to drop this

[trumandogz]

Do we really know that Hawaii actually existed in 1961?

Those are all volcanic islands that could have been created at any time.

And until Hawaii-50 first came on the TV, do we have any proof?

[Las Vegas Ron]

agreed but many still will not accept it and tell others who ask and want certification to drop this

Yeah well, you and I know the truth.

FUBO and your fraudulent bullsheit BC.

[kabumpo]

My long form has no footprint.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Red light went off in the basement, eh?

[old curmudgeon]

04/28/2011 • godlikeproductions.com
Just read something from the Fox News site by a poster which is VERY interesting regarding this possible FAKE BC: “Hate to bring this up, but I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. According to the web site the name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978?”

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/088715-2011-04-27-obamas-birth-certificate-debunked-already-proof.htm?From=News&sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4db879520f3842c1,0

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[Vendome]

MuBarak is an idiot to have released this “Copy of Date Points” on a Wednesday!

What moron doesn’t know that if you want a story to die you release it over the weekend or on a holiday?

Further, it may have been enough to convince Lieutenant Lakin to continue following orders of deployment as he had done so many times, honorably, as a decorated veteran would do and does.

But no... He let an honorable man hang in the wind, under a cloud of doubt and ruin his career and life. For What?

This settles nothing and I want to see the one he found among his mother’s belongings when she passed in 1995, as well the one that is sealed in his admissions for kindergarten and preschool.

Barak, if this settles it for you then you screwed a fine man and you should be ashamed!

You have no honor.

[Vendome]

This whole BC thing is a put up.  A Fairy Tail!

 

It's a slight of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.

 

But, think of it.  There are three that are known to exist or have existed and has at least two in his possessoin:

 

The Birth Certificate that was submitted for his admission into the Hawaiian school system.  The files containing that BC and his records for immunization are sealed by court order on MuBarak's requrest.

 

"If" he used an American Passport for travel to Indonesia and Pakistan, when he turned 18, he would have a copy of his birth certificate from that event.

 

He absolutely has a Birth Certificate, in it's original black & white format, that "He Found" Among His Mother's belongings, when she passed in 1995.

 

I do wonder if he had to submit another BC when he returned back to the Hawaii school system to re-enter school???

 

 

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes.  That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
•  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.

 

We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!

 

That is what we are after at a minimum.

 

Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship.  He proudly admits as much.

 

That means if we were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship.  We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if had under those circumstances.

 

You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.

 

He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen".  Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.

[kabumpo]

You are right. It is obvious. Why can’t everyone get it?

[Doulos1]

Not witty, not funny, not even cute.
Not even good sarcasm.
Are shilling for Obama?

[SkyDancer]

And who is that UK Le Lee????

[John Valentine]

Did the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital exist in 1961, or was it known by another name then?

Yes, it did exist. And, it was known by the name "Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital" Starting in 1961 I drove by the place at least once, most often two or three times a day as I lived nearby and I can tell you from my personal knowledge that the name was just as I have said.

Additionally, I have two children born there in 1965 and 1968 ant their birth certificates are basically just as the one produced by Obama, except mine were produced much earlier and look more like those published for the Nordyke twins.

This hospital name business if wrongheaded and ought to be dropped. It is a waste of time.

[John Valentine]

What you are posting here is crap, and it was crap when you found it.

[manc]

thanks for your answer but I do not go along with this B/C crap.

There is something wrong about all of this and something he is hiding and no matter how many times the corrupt media, the elitist GOP or trolls say everything is good it is not to me.

[Las Vegas Ron]

And who is that UK Le Lee????

The Hawaiian version of Nero?

[John Valentine]

In 1978 the name of the facility was changed to “Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children”. In 1961 it was known to my personal knowledge as “Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecologocal Hospital”. Conspiracy nuts, please give it a rest, and stop repeating crap.

“The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii’s families:”

[sailor4321]

How odd that the twins’ certificate numbers are 10637 and 10638 respectively. A day earlier, Obama was given a higher certificate number of 10641

[hoosiermama]

WHen I see UK I think United Kingdon....HMMMMmmmm???

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

Were any other blacks in that time period listed as african?

[cynwoody]

What we are looking at is what the clerk chose to put into the computer and print out. It is NOT A PHOTO COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. It is what BO or his minion choose to make public. It’s been stamped with the “abstract” stamp to indicate that material has been left out. He could print it on toilet paper if stamped and signed it’s a form of a BC....BUT the ABSTRACT stamp indicates that material has been condensed, is not complete.

The stamp reads true copy or abstract, not abstract. Your point is not made.