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48÷2(9+3) = ?

Posted on 04/12/2011 1:32:09 PM PDT by grundle

Texas Instruments TI-85 says:

48÷2(9+3) = 2

But Texas Instruments TI-86 says:

48÷2(9+3) = 288



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To: SeaHawkFan
It has always been understood that 2(9+3) is simply a shortened form of (2 x (9+3))

I've never seen that anywhere. There is no rule of precedence I am aware of that extends the parenthetical precedence outside the parenthesis.

Can you provide a citation to support this assertion? All of the searches I have done don't mention it.

I agree that 2(9+3) is a shortened form of 2*(9+3), but I disagree that it implies parenthesis around the multiplication.

181 posted on 04/12/2011 2:57:36 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Hoodat

‘Supercede’ is spelled correctly, but the answer is still 288. :P


182 posted on 04/12/2011 2:58:04 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: GingisK
That is correct, so then they MUST be performed from left to right.

Really; and your source for this opinion is?

183 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:02 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

**I suspect those who think the answer is 288 are far younger than those of us who know the answer is 2.**

AGREED ... (runs for cover)


184 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:02 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... church of the Perpetually Offended!)
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To: mmichaels1970

I read that in the Physics forum, however, the vote was pretty evenly split. One convencing arguement I read was that the format was flawed by using the division sign instead of the slash (/) sign. That division indicates you proceed with the left to right rule and the answer is 288. Otherwise, if the slash was used, I would agree the answer is 2.


185 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:13 PM PDT by mentor2k
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To: GingisK; BoringGuy; MortMan; gwilhelm56
Uh oh.

That 2(9+3) really does mean that 2*(9+3) must go first!

We computer guys aren't allowed to imply operators, but the old math rules should apply.

186 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:21 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: gwilhelm56

The horizontal line is the archaic notation for parenthesis in modern form. You have inserted a set of parens where they did not exist before. ;-P


187 posted on 04/12/2011 3:00:33 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: grundle

288 obviously.


188 posted on 04/12/2011 3:02:28 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Tim n Texas

in 48/2(9+3) the parenthesis are used to force the evaluation of the addition prior to the left-to-right evaluation of the rest of the equation. Unless you can show a rule written somewhere that forces the lack of the multiplication operator symbol into meaning implied parenthesis, the answer is 288.


189 posted on 04/12/2011 3:03:51 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: SeaHawkFan
I suspect those who think the answer is 288 are far younger than those of us who know the answer is 2.

I'm in my mid-forties, and I know it's 288. You? :P

190 posted on 04/12/2011 3:04:30 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Tim n Texas
Standard order of operations:

terms inside brackets & parentheses
exponents and roots
multiplication and division
addition and subtraction

The parentheses rule does NOT apply to numbers outside the parentheses.
Calculations at the same operations level must be worked left-to-right. Thus, the correct answer is 288.

191 posted on 04/12/2011 3:04:38 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: MortMan

NO MORT YOU ARE WRONG ... it is an archaic form of the DIVIDED BY sign. Besides

2(9+3) is distributive principle learned in 4th grade
2*9+2*3 NOW muliply first is accurate
18+6=24
now 48Divided by 24 =2


192 posted on 04/12/2011 3:04:59 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... church of the Perpetually Offended!)
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To: mentor2k

The use of a division sign or a slash makes absolutely no difference; you divide the number prior to the slash or divide sign by what follows; and do your multiplication prior to the division.

It actually doesn’t make any difference, but mistakes will be minimized if you do.


193 posted on 04/12/2011 3:05:05 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: joe fonebone

10, if you know binary, of course.


194 posted on 04/12/2011 3:05:24 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: glennaro

Try this:

48
______________ = 2
2(9+3)

2 is correct........


195 posted on 04/12/2011 3:06:28 PM PDT by Forty-Niner
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To: MortMan

binary....what the hell is that


196 posted on 04/12/2011 3:07:08 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Search for the term “mathematical precedence” and take your pick of sources.


197 posted on 04/12/2011 3:07:08 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Older than you and I had a minor in math in college. I learned this stuff in third grade; it’s not that difficult.


198 posted on 04/12/2011 3:08:08 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
Really; and your source for this opinion is?

Ahah! I see the glitch! I'm been programming for so long that I forgot the rules of pencil & paper math. If you MUST automatically add the forgotten "*", you'll change to left-to-right parsing of that dang compiler. The old math teachers never dueled with a compiler.

199 posted on 04/12/2011 3:08:12 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: joe fonebone

Binary is a 2-based numbering system, and is the basic numbering system used by digital computers.


200 posted on 04/12/2011 3:08:36 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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