Posted on 04/09/2011 1:23:46 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
This is almost unbelievable.
Gotta hand it to Trump..he is braving the leper treatment--all because the wagons are circling to protect the incompetent fraud Obama.
Who knew the power of political correctness had gone so far as to rob us of our last brain cell of common sense?
All the posturing and preening and puffing up with indignation that Trump should dare question this street corner con--BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!?
Bill Clinton with his threatening, If I were them, Id be really careful riding that birther horse too much, he said in an interview with ABCs Good Morning America that aired Monday. Everyone knows its ludicrous".
What an ass..,really Bill, do tell us all about it in your stellar wisdom--as if the rotten-to-the-core Clinton should be telling anybody what they should do.
And the smirks and snorts from everyone from O'Reilly, Rove to every predictable leftwing idiots--yet NO ONE has any counter evidence!
No one shows any curiousity, no one asks any followup questions to this astonishing situation--it's all attack, all the time in protection of the demigod OBAMA.
Why were people not chastised up one side and down the other when they were demanding every scintilla of documentation from McCain--which he provided!
Lord save us, the media has this country by the gonads --we somehow fell asleep and let these left wing airheads gain the controls of mass influence.
Hussein has spent 2 million dollars obstructing this issue. If he produced a birth certificate it would end it immediately. Trump has stated he does not believe he can produce one.
I’ve never seen a birth certificate that tells the religion. Census records do. All the ones I’ve seen show place of birth if the person was born outside the USA. Has anyone ever looked at census records from 1970, 1980, 1990? Of course, his lieing grandparents probably acted like the lieing grandparents they were and lied.
What Rush and others need to know is that there IS evidence that there are LEGAL problems with his BC.
Abercrombie says there’s no long-form even though Fukino said they have Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” - policies and procedures that she illegally hid until a year after the election when forced by public outrage to actually post the HDOH Administrative Rules that are required by Hawaii law to be posted on the HDOH website at all times. Either her definition of “original birth certificate” means something different than most people think it does, or else she or Abercrombie or both are outright lying.
And the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s BC (whatever it is that they’ve got for him) was amended in 2006, which means it is no longer (if it ever was) legally valid. It also means that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery because the amendment was not noted as it should have been. The HDOH has also indirectly confirmed that the BC# and “date filed” are incompatible so either or both were altered.
I can’t even go into all the rules and laws that are being broken in Hawaii right now. And at the Passport Office, Selective Service Administration, and Social Security Administration. All that is evidence that multiple government bureaucracies are covering up SOMETHING, and that by itself should be reason for a criminal investigation.
But I can’t speak loudly enough for anybody with a public megaphone to hear and take up the evidence we already have, that there are LEGAL problems with Obama’s birth certificate, and that the HDOH is deceiving (at best) to hide that fact, while breaking rules and laws to keep anybody from exposing what they are doing.
The question Trump and everybody else need to be asking is this: How can we have Abercrombie saying there is no proof of a Hawaii birth, and Fukino saying that she has “seen the vital records verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii”?
That discrepancy, right there, should compel an investigation into which one of those 2 is lying. Nobody wants this to be a “conspiracy” but that discrepancy right there is proof that Hawaii officials are messing with us, big-time. Yet that is the thing that nobody to date has been willing to address. Trump may be preparing the way to address it. I guess we’ll see.
Religion is not listed on a birth certificate. Here are the items that are on a long-form that aren’t already on the COLB Obama claims to have released:
1. This birth single, twin, triplet?
2. If twin or triplet, first, second, or third born?
3. Name of hospital?
4. Place of birth inside city or town limit?
5. Usual residence of mother?
6. Mothers usual residence inside city or town limit?
7. Mothers usual residence a farm or plantation?
8. Age of father?
9. Fathers birthplace?
10. Fathers usual occupation?
11. Kind of business?
12. Mothers age?
13. Mothers birthplace?
14. Mothers occupation during pregnancy?
15. Date mother last worked?
16-21. Informant, attendant, and local registrars signatures and dates of signature
22. Date accepted by local registrar
22. date accepted by registrar general (this is claimed to be on the COLB already)
23. Evidence for delayed filing or alteration
Who cares what Indonesian law says? U.S. law governs U.S. citizenship, and under U.S. law, a parent cannot renounce his/her child’s citizenship.
Also, keep in mind that the HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/factcheck-forgery-for-dummies/
If what is on his long-form is the same as what he has on the fake COLB, then the probable reason to show a forgery instead of the real thing are the 2 things that the HDOH actually revealed:
1) There is a problem with either the “date filed” or the BC#,since they are incompatible with each other, which would not be the case if he had a valid (not late)genuine BC that prompted the birth announcements, etc. Not having a BC# is a big f-ing deal, as Joe Biden would say, because he could not have been using a Hawaii BC his entire life without a valid BC with BC#. IOW, if he doesn’t have a valid BC# from 1961 then he has been using a BC from someplaces besides Hawaii his entire life.
2) The certificate itself is legally invalid because it has been amended.
These are not peripheral issues. These go right down to the core of whether it has ever been proven that he was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie told a Star-Advertiser columnist that an investigation showed there is something “actually written down” in the State Archives. The State Archives don’t house birth certificates. And Abercrombie’s quote in the columnist’s article implied that whatever they have for Obama will not be enough to convince doubters that he was actually born in Hawaii.
That does not sound like everything is all cut-and-dried as everybody in the public eye wants to claim. It DOES sound to me like what the HDOH accidentally revealed indirectly is true - that the Factcheck COLB IS a forgery, and that it was created to hide the fact that he does not have a legally-valid BC and may have NEVER had a valid BC from Hawaii. Which, if true, would necessarily prove that he has been using a different BC his entire life.
This is critical, critical stuff - and yet it is next to impossible to get anybody in the public sphere to acknowledge what the HDOH has actually revealed.
I have requested from the HDOH specific UIPA requests and responses - the ones that happen to show their indirect confirmations - certified for admission as evidence in a court of law in Hawaii or another state. They say they don’t certify “e-mails”. I’ve responded to ask them how they fulfill the statutes to enforce the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution. The Clause says that a state is bound to honor the acts and records of another state when proven genuine, and the statute says that the proof of genuineness is to be an official seal to certify the genuineness.
They don’t want this stuff admitted into a court of law for good reason. They know that it blows the whole facade off of both Obama and their illegal covering for him.
Oops. I accidentally replied to you when I meant to reply to the person you were replying to. Sorry.
Hi thanks ~ I have just been looking at your website.
Looks like you have been doing an in depth investigation.
He left the country and became a citizen of Indonesia. Then returned and he would have become a naturalized vs a natural born citizen. Presidents must be natural born.
Or, how about “verifiers”...(trust but verify, by someone who got it right!)
A really good point. In the same instance, Behnar’s(sp?) been out there by himself, Paul Ryan is out there by himself. Come on pubbies, stick together here a little.
I read somewhere you get a passport (probably diplomatic???) automatically once you are a Senator. Probably how he got his...just given, no questions asked. Probably prior to that he used an Indonesian passport. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can amplify.
More in-depth than I ever thought I would do.
If I hadn’t seen first-hand the law-breaking in the HDOH I probably would have just waited out Obama’s term of office. But this level of lawlessness will be fatal to the country if we don’t regain the rule of law.
I’ve said this numerous times. Trump is one of very, very few people who could get away with this.
The media, which has been protective of BHO from the beginning, would utterly ruin any politician who started in on the birther stuff. The word would go out on Journolist or whatever it’s called now, and you’d see Maureen Dowd and Jon Stewart snidely questioning the candidate’s sanity, you’d see monologue jokes from Letterman and Bill Maher based on the assumption that Candidate X is nutty, etc. Pure Alinsky: Pick a target, isolate it, define it, destroy it, and ridicule is your most potent weapon.
But they can’t do this to Trump. They can’t define him. The public already knows who he is. He is immune. He is MSM-Proof. And this certainty drives them CRAZY. We’ll see the political and journalistic and cultural Left grow more unhinged as Trump’s birther campaign continues. Comparisons to Tim McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden, Charles Manson, and of course Hitler are likely on the way.
OK.
But we need to decide the terms of this argument.......
Trump is starting to hit on the ayeres dreams of my father fraud obama pulled as well.
How would a GS12 State department staffer refuse to process the application?
Bama said he had a birth certificate in dreams of my father. Which was that? A long form or the colb?
The point is, even if he became a citizen of indonesia when he went there, there is no evidence that he lost US citizenship in doing so. Indonesian law does not control on this point, so the fact that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship does not matter. What matters is that US laws specify how someone can lose US citizenship, and gaining foreign citizenship through an adoptive parent is not one of those ways.
If that is the case, it would explain why somebody at the Passport Office had to disable the security protocols just at the right times for somebody in John Brennan’s company to breach Obama’s passport file 3 different times - the last time being right after the exif data for the Factcheck photos says those photos were taken.
It would explain why somebody close to the investigation said the breaches were to sanitize Obama’s file, which the inspector general for the State Department didn’t even check for, according to the investigation’s final report’s description of the methodology used in the investigation.
The lawlessness between the Passport Office, Brennan’s company, the HDOH, Factcheck, etc..... it’s all tied together. They all had to work together to pull this thing off.
Government bureaucrats - union members - are a particular vulnerability for the rule of law. From Sandy Burglar stealing documents in his pants, to the Supreme Court’s stay clerk filing documents wrong, to the myriad of cases where government workers were bribed to create fake ID’s for illegals.... as Trump has said, it’s easy and not that uncommon for records to be manipulated. He’s seen it. Well, we’ve seen it on a grand scale with Obama. Every government office that claims to have records for Obama has some kind of cover-up or outright forgery they’ve been involved with, to cover for Obama.
Trump is realizing what a huge scam this would be. People have mocked it because only a crazy person would suspect such large-scale manipulation. Only thing is, it’s documented. The Selective Service Administration creating a forged draft registration for Obama is documented. The SSA acknowledging that the SSN Obama used on his last tax returns was never issued to Obama is documented. The passport office breaches are documented. The Factcheck COLB as a forgery is documented by the HDOH itself.
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