Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Feds seek $7M in privately made 'Liberty Dollars'
hosted ^ | Apr 4 | TOM BREEN

Posted on 04/04/2011 10:20:04 AM PDT by JoeProBono

RALEIGH, N.C. - Federal prosecutors on Monday tried to take a hoard of silver "Liberty Dollars" worth about $7 million that authorities say was invented by an Indiana man to compete with U.S. currency.

Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted last month in federal court in Statesville on conspiracy and counterfeiting charges for making and selling the currency, which he promoted as inflation-proof competition for the U.S. dollar....

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: libertydollars; nothaus
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last
To: Toddsterpatriot; TruthConquers

Enough! Keep your stupid feud off of Free Republic!


41 posted on 04/04/2011 2:40:04 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

Comment #42 Removed by Moderator

To: Toddsterpatriot

Well, it does. A ounce of 92 percent gold is always a ounce of 92 percent gold. So, at least one part, one variable is fixed, making calculations of the possible values of other things less opaque. But, by and large governments don’t care for clarity. Illuminates, a bit, all sorts of activities.


43 posted on 04/04/2011 3:51:01 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Leisler
Well, it does. A ounce of 92 percent gold is always a ounce of 92 percent gold.

In that case, a $1 FRN is always a $1 FRN.

So, at least one part, one variable is fixed

If it doesn't keep prices fixed, what is it good for?

44 posted on 04/04/2011 4:17:29 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

Many things go into price. Supply, demand, quality, quantity. But the value of the medium of exchange should remain the same over space and time. Something that the Federal Reserve’s notes haven’t done, despite their supposed mission, or half of it, anyways.

It’s hard to measure, price, something when the measuring units are changed all the time.


45 posted on 04/04/2011 8:27:00 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Leisler
Many things go into price. Supply, demand, quality, quantity.

You bet.

But the value of the medium of exchange should remain the same over space and time.

That would be a neat trick.

Something that the Federal Reserve’s notes haven’t done

Apparently, according to your chart, gold hasn't either.

46 posted on 04/05/2011 11:40:53 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

It’s no trick, it’s a law, a physical law. An ounce, is an ounce.

At one time, it was thought that legal laws, not physical, were things that brought us closer to some constant, universal truth. Now laws seem to obscure and cloud. Not a good trend line.


47 posted on 04/05/2011 11:22:17 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Leisler
An ounce, is an ounce.

I'm sure you've heard that silly claim, an ounce of gold has always bought a good suit? Do you believe that?

48 posted on 04/06/2011 6:41:07 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

Would you rather have a hundred year old, gold 20$ coin, or 20$ bill?


49 posted on 04/06/2011 11:54:09 AM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Leisler
I'd rather have $20 worth of stocks and their reinvested dividends over the last 100 years.

Thanks for the chart, I never knew gold lost so much value over such a short period.

50 posted on 04/06/2011 12:07:54 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

It’s a medium of exchange, neither gold nor FRN’s are stocks. ( English language has different words for different things, unlike, say, Arabic. ).


51 posted on 04/06/2011 1:02:39 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

They are mediums of exchange, neither gold nor FRN’s are stocks. ( English language has different words for different things, unlike, say, Arabic. ).


52 posted on 04/06/2011 1:03:23 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot

Here’s some help with your chart reading trouble.

http://pricedingold.com/us-dollar/


53 posted on 04/06/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Leisler
They are mediums of exchange, neither gold nor FRN’s are stocks.

Yes, gold is a medium of exchange. One that apparently lost what looks like 50% of its value between 1913 and 1920, according to your chart in post #25.


54 posted on 04/06/2011 1:54:10 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: Leisler

Thanks for the offer, but I read your chart just fine.


55 posted on 04/06/2011 1:55:00 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot; Leisler
I'd rather have $20 worth of stocks and their reinvested dividends over the last 100 years.

Funny thing is, none of us get to invest for 100 years. We have to invest during our productive years, and make the best choices depending on what's going on at a macro level - like the fed printing the dollar into oblivion.

Gold has kicked the $hit out of stocks for the past 10 years (and totally bitch slapped finance stocks like BAC). It's gonna be a 15-20 year bull run when it's all said and done. Is that "long term" enough for ya? I'll bet you've actually bought some gold by now but aren't telling anyone.

LOL
56 posted on 04/08/2011 10:15:18 PM PDT by dollarbull (why are paperbugs so bad at history?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: dangus
The value of a commodity can change rapidly. LaRouche and Paul don’t like you to know this, but one good breakthrough in mining technology could wipe out the entire nation’s wealth if we switch to a gold or silver standard.

Stupidest. Post. Ever.

One good breakthrough in printing press technology plus a helicopter could also wipe out the entire nation's wealth right now on the fiat system, as outlined in Bernanke's helicopter dissertation.

Are you clueless or what?
57 posted on 04/08/2011 10:21:33 PM PDT by dollarbull (why are paperbugs so bad at history?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: dollarbull

LOL! You’re calling MY post stupid

Do you really understand that little about gold as money?

If someone comes up with printing press technology to counterfeit notes, so what? You ahve some counterfeit notes, maybe a few billion; the North Koreans were working on this before. Once you know they’re doing it, you round up all the old money, confirm it’s NOT the counterfeit, and you publish new money. Sure, maybe you take a few billion, but paper money is but a very small portion of the total money supply. Even if they flooded a huge portion of the paper money supply before being detected and countered, you’re talking only a few billion dollars. Painful, but nothing compared to the trillion-dollar stimulus, or Quantitative Easing when it comes to diluting the money supply. There’s only $853 billion total in circulation, out of a national net worth of $45 trillion. Match the entire value of US circulation with counterfeit, and you’ve only taken 2% of the economy down; less than Obama’s stimulus. But realistically, counterfeiters could match only a few percent of the currency, because their very success inherently exposes them.

The problem with gold currency is that any new gold technology is perfectly legal, and not counterfeit. Anyone who can precipitate gold would be able to run their gold machine, and simply PERFECTLY LEGALLY supplant as much US wealth as he could make; with counterfeiters once you catch them, you’ve essentially solved the problem.


58 posted on 04/08/2011 11:43:58 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: dollarbull

The whole gold vs stocks thing is kind of lame. Under any circumstance, it’s insane not to have both in a well-rounded portfolio.

Gold is super-hot right now because we have monetary hyperinflation being masked by economic deflation; If we do a Greenspan-Reagan maneuver to pull out of this death spiral, you’ll see a spike in unemployment and interest rates... but then somehow, but a crash in gold. But then your stocks will start taking off, and if you rebalance your portfolio frequently, you’ll have taken your profits from gold already.


59 posted on 04/08/2011 11:52:50 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: dangus

Ok you are clueless. Here’s my last post to you. I’m not talking about illegal counterfeiting, I’m talking about the legal counterfeiting the fed is doing right now. They are massively increasing the quantity of dollars, thereby robbing everyone of their wealth through inflation.

Run along now.


60 posted on 04/09/2011 7:15:00 AM PDT by dollarbull (why are paperbugs so bad at history?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson