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1 posted on 03/21/2011 9:45:36 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Muddy waters ping.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 9:46:14 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Native Americans' land use nearly a century ago produced a widespread impact ... several hundred years prior to the arrival of major European settlements.

Something isn't adding up.

4 posted on 03/21/2011 9:50:46 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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Native Americans increased soil erosion and sediment yields to the Delaware River basin

Bush's Native American ancestor's fault.

6 posted on 03/21/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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Native Americans altered and modified the crap out of the land. It is part of how they survive. They cultivated and burned.

EVERY civilization affects their environment. It’s not a bad thing.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 10:07:31 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: decimon
So when the native Americans caused erosion and sedimentation in the delicate hydrologic systems they ‘had an impact’ and produced a ‘change.’

Interesting.

8 posted on 03/21/2011 10:10:40 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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What was all that mound and canal building in Illinois if not modifying the landscape?


12 posted on 03/21/2011 10:37:36 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Illegal aliens from China wreaking havoc on a once pure and innocent land.


14 posted on 03/21/2011 10:42:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: decimon

Another academic announcing the discovery of the wheel.

Google “References On The America Indian Use Of Fire In Ecosystems” by Gerald W. Williams.

After reading 38 pages of references to indigenous population caused changes to habitats, I am less than impressed by the article’s having broken any new ground.


15 posted on 03/21/2011 11:00:48 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: decimon

It’s fascinating how, even on an allegedly conservative website like FR, the PC term “Native American” is now accepted as gospel.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 11:08:22 AM PDT by Keltik ("The goal should not be diversity -- the goal must be Quality.")
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To: decimon
This is a good thread to advise FReeper friends of a very interesting book. The History Of The Ancient Southwest by Stehphen Leekson.

Although he is an archeologist by trade, his book wonderfully surveys seemingly all the disparate archeological scholarship and ties it together within a historical account. lt turns out that much of what I saw in my last two visits to Indian Country was tainted with the bias of the specific person/persons who excavated the site.

He ties in the various societies on the plateau, the Phoenix Basin and the Mogollon rim. The peak was comtemporaneous with the great society at Cahokia in Illinois. Those irrigation works allowed a very large and flourishing population in the Arizona deserts

Pertinent to this thread are the very old and very extensive irrigation works present in the Phoenix basin and elsewhere in Arizona. Those irrigation works allowed a very large and flourishing population in the Arizona deserts

I have read a great deal about the peoples of the ancient Southwest but this book sets much of what I read on it's head as extremely parochial and self serving. It is possible because of changes in the profession wrought by federal law. First, all construction has to have an archeological assessment before the work can be done and in Arizona that means everywhere. Secondly a similar law requires the team to include real Indians to assess the site based on their own history, not the biased and oft made up story based on pots.

It makes Chaco the home of elite leaders who moved to AZtec and then to Paquim over a period of many years, centuries.

It destroys the bias that drew a line at the Mexican border. The southwest had continuous active trade with the people further south.

The theme is "everyone knew everything" the people of the time did not live isolated from the other people of their world, or cahokia many miles away to the east.

The people who regularly read these threads may like this book. It is 500 or so pages, half book and half foot notes. The book is in first person and the footnotes are sometime juicy.

17 posted on 03/21/2011 11:22:06 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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20 posted on 03/22/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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While researching a novel occurring in 1799 in the Kentucky Tennessee area, I discovered that an area call the Barrens was a routinely burned prairie that the Indians maintained as a buffalo common. Later I found out that earlier, the Shenandoah Valley had also surved as a burning maintained buffalo common as well. Indians also used controlled burns to clean the underbrush out in old forests.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 10:35:53 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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