Ancient teeth raise new questions about the origins of modern man

Binghamton University ^ | February 9, 2011 | Unknown

[decimon]

Caption: Lower premolars and canine teeth found at the Qesem cave site in Israel are raising new questions about the origins of modern man. If linked directly to Homo sapiens, it could mean that modern man either originated in what is now Israel or may have migrated from Africa far earlier that is presently accepted, says Binghamton University anthropologist Rolf Quam.

Credit: Rolf Quam

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[decimon]

Time to chews ping.

[Sacajaweau]

So the time span is between 200,000 and 400,00 years ago. Close enough for government work!!

[frog in a pot]

Very interesting.

(What are the odds that the excavation would be conducted by a fellow named Gopher?)

[llevrok]

Yup. Teeth

[Cicero]

Very interesting.

The origin of humans in Africa has been the dominant theory for some time. First, I think, because it ties in with the Darwinian view of a rise from more primitive beginnings. And Africans were, in the Darwinian view, the most primitive peoples. Second, and more politically correct as the intellectual culture evolved, it makes Africa more important.

But the samples are really extremely small. It’s only blind luck that bones and teeth survive in one place but not in another, or happen to be found in one place but not another.

So, we should keep in mind that all these broad reconstructions are only theories, and theories without a really firm statistical basis.

The traditional understanding of the biblical account is that God created Adam and Eve around 4004 BC. So 200-400,000 years doesn’t fit that time pattern very well. But it would be interesting if they moved closer to the traditional geographical pattern.

[decimon]

(What are the odds that the excavation would be conducted by a fellow named Gopher?)

First there was Love Boat and then Congress and now this.

[Thermalseeker]

Nope, that’s a Wookie, genus Marxistificus. Completely different species. Given the known history of the Marxistificus it’s surprising that any survive.......

[frog in a pot]

Ok, you got me. Getting a headache trying to relate your response to anything I know, but then I missed all but a few minutes of Love Boat.

I plan to evaluate a new private label bottle of red wine this evening, so perhaps under the theory of in vino veritas it will come to me.

[decimon]

Sorry. Fred Grandy played a character called Gopher. He later entered politics and was a Republican congressman. It seems he is now a talk show host in D.C. Three jobs where all you do is talk. ;-)

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Hey, when you’re saddled with a name like that, there are only a few career choices to make. ;’)

[1010RD]

Take a closer look at Genesis 1.

Day isn’t and can’t be delimited by our Earth day http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/3117. as the earth doesn’t get a sun until the 4th Day (Yom - period of time) http://biblos.com/genesis/1-16.htm

Human’s come on the 6th Day (Yom) http://biblos.com/genesis/1-26.htm

Eden doesn’t happen until God rests for the 7th Day (Yom) and Adam get’s place there in Gen 2.

[null and void]

One could argue that we are still in the 7th day.

The descriptions of every one of the first days ends with “And the evening and the morning were the nth day.”

Every day save one:

There is no such closure for the seventh day.

[Cicero]

I’m not a Bible literalist. But the creation date of 4004 BC was traditional all through the middle ages and the Renaissance.

Millenarians associated three two-thousand year periods with the three Persons of the Trinity. As I used to tell my Milton class, in explaining some of the poet’s ideas, the world was due to end in 1996, according to that way of thinking. (There was a 4 year, or possibly a 7 year, error in establishing the year of Christ’s birth, when our current dating system, Anno Domini, was set up.)

[Cicero]

The traditional idea is that the six days work of creation correspond to all of history, and the seventh day to eternity in heaven. Spenser and Milton both build on the idea.

For instance, Spenser’s extant version of The Faerie Queene ends with the Mutability Cantos and two final verses:

WHen I bethinke me on that speech whyleare,
Of Mutability, and well it way:
Me seemes, that though she all vnworthy were
Of the Heav’ns Rule; yet very sooth to say,
In all things else she beares the greatest sway.
Which makes me loath this state of life so tickle,
And loue of things so vaine to cast away;
Whose flowring pride, so fading and so fickle,
Short Time shall soon cut down with his consuming sickle.

Then gin I thinke on that which Nature sayd,
Of that same time when no more Change shall be,
But stedfast rest of all things firmely stayd
Vpon the pillours of Eternity,
That is contrayr to Mutabilitie:
For, all that moueth, doth in Change delight:
But thence-forth all shall rest eternally
With Him that is the God of Sabbaoth hight:
O thou great Sabbaoth God, graunt me that Sabaoths sight.

[Uncle Miltie]

My daughter is one of Quam’s star anthropology undergraduate students.

She worked at The Mammoth Site in South Dakota last summer, she’s digging human bones in Peru this summer, and aiming for a Phd.

[decimon]

She worked at The Mammoth Site in South Dakota last summer, she’s digging human bones in Peru this summer, and aiming for a Phd.

Good. There's not much better than making a career of what you enjoy.

[Silentgypsy]

She needs a muzzle.

[Tallguy]

It’s only blind luck that bones and teeth survive in one place but not in another, or happen to be found in one place but not another.

Bones & teeth are found in areas where the conditions permit preservation through fossilization. This doesn't happen everywhere, so we tend to find the really old stuff in dry, desert areas. This doesn't mean that such things didn't exist in other areas where natural preservation did not take place.