Posted on 02/02/2011 5:04:42 PM PST by Pan_Yan
For the first time in almost 50 years, the U.S. Army wants to replace the standard rifle shouldered by hundreds of thousands of frontline troops around the world.
The service this week advertised its interest in a new weapon that would incorporate futuristic sights and other advances in rifle design and be able to handle improved ammunition.
The gun would potentially supplant the M4 carbine, a shorter-barrel version of the M16, the Army's main infantry weapon for decades.
Operations in Afghanistan—where troops often engage the enemy over long distances—have rekindled debate over the quality of the Army's standard-issue rifles and their reliability in dusty, primitive conditions. An Army report on a 2008 battle in Wanat, Afghanistan, cited soldier complaints about jamming and overheating M4s, in particular. Nine servicemen died in that fight.
Critics have also raised concerns about the range and lethality of the 5.56 mm cartridge of the M16/M4.
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Mostly barrel overheating problems from what I understand. Not sure what other behind-the-scenes politics came down, though.
Agreed. It's not by any stretch a "battle rifle", but I've never heard of anybody volunteering to be shot by one to prove how weak the cartridge is. If you think of it as a 30 round .357 magnum with a slightly flatter trajectory you won't ask it to do more than it's capable of.
That thing is awesome. I love the Bullpup design and the gentle forward ejection feature. I want.
I think of it as a 30 30 for pistols and carbines.
My first firearm.
Nice concept although it is not a proven design and parts would be a pain if you broke something.
Give it a year or 2, let them work out the bugs.
I’d still rather have an FAL though.
Oops I thought you were discussing the Keltec bullpup shotgun.
Yeah...I wouldn’t buy one right away. It takes (metric) FAL mags, and while I’ve heard a lot of mixed-reviews of Keltec products in general, everything I’ve heard/read/seen of the RFB has been quite positive. I very much like the concept of just putting a bucket at the end of your shooting bench to collect up your brass. That notion itself makes me smile :-)
They are purely meant to protect the enemy. Our KIA's have doubled month after month since the muzzie lover put them in.
A LOT of blood on his hands. I hope I live long enough to see God's justice arrive on his person.
I love my Saiga 12! I have a couple of the MD 20rnd drums for it. Has to be one of the most fun guns I've ever shot. Very reliable too! Set up right, that shotgun will be perfect for when TSHTF.
Mine always seems to have cycling issues.
I have a benelli supernova which I like best.
It was bad enough under Bush due to NATO and the media need for a “Coalition”
It is awful now. Our guys cant do shit.
The Brits held musa qala for 8 years, built up the infrastructure while they where there and Nato says “well its all calm now, lets pull out”
Well sir, when they pulled out, the taliban came screaming out of the hills and retook the improved infrastructure.
Then My friend has to re liberate the reinforced stronghold, and they cant chase them into Pohkystan.
They lick their wounds and regroup
BS
Gotta set up the gas plug for the load used.
Drool...
I know what you mean about the bucket for brass! When I had a CETME it would chunk the brass all over the place and I’d only be able to find about 80% of my cases. Never used any of my LC match brass in that thing fo sho!!
How do I do that?
I also have a remi 870 but have to say, the benelli is great as far as absorbing the kick.
No! the M4’s will join the Korean M1 Carbines and M1 Rifles.
Maybe the Pubbies could help there, but I doubt it. Captain Krunch here we come.
Use this https://www.mdarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13_11&products_id=16
Nothing absorbs recoil like the saiga
and after all they fought and sacrificed in that Godforsaken valley - the Korengal, aka Taliban Central - ‘bummer simply gifted it to the taliban.
I think the clip of the Taliban crawling all over RESTREPO, boasting - with all the ammo, missiles, rockets and gas that the last unit there then were forced - NOT by the enemy, but out leaders - to leave behind - may be the most maddning thing I have ever seen..
Traitors
Nothing will get more people talking to you than unloading a drum in the saiga 12.
People are drawn to it like moths around a flame.
Indeed.
I am praying for my friend.
He isnt stupid like Capt Kearny. He was in gulf war one and two as well as this 2nd tour in afghanistan.
No offense to Capt Kearny, but dude, you need to call the shots.
You can explain later.
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