Posted on 11/16/2010 6:49:54 AM PST by wintertime
Mr. Richard Anderson PO Box 20706, Atlanta, Georgia, 30320.
Re: Airline Travel
Dear Mr. Anderson,
My husband and I restrict our airline travel because flying is a flaming inconvenience.
Last year and this year we chose our vacation places based solely on whether or not we could get there by AUTOMOBILE!
Solution: My husband and I should be PRE- SCREENED ( similar to a government security clearance). We should then NEVER NEVER NEVER go through airport security again.
For now we are NOT flying!
Sincerely,
Wintertime
P.S. It is outrageous that John Tyner is being investigated by the TSA while Muslim women go through security essentially unscreened!
Well, I guess I’m busted.
What’s the bail?
I think “Trusted Traveler” was cancelled a while ago. Not sure. . .
I think I have.
“not with an ignorant rant.”
What rant?
“In this case the security clearance parallel won’t hold water.”
I think it will, as your strawman makes the case that any and all actions taken by the government for “safety” are reasonable. In that case, there is no end to TSA tactics, too include body cavity searches. Why? Because there was an assassination attempt by a guy that used his body cavity to hide the explosives. It was set off by a cell-phone. And since everyone is capable of going bad (can't profile), then everyone must submit to a prison-style body cavity search and leave their cell-phone behind.
Question is: Where do you draw the line? Where do reasonable people draw the line?
Question 1 - What was Tyner's agenda since it seems he went to the airport looking for trouble?
Question 2 - Do I want to fly with 'lightly screened' people on my plane?
Question 3 - Why does the TSA come off as incompetent and self-contradictary in the reports of the incident?
Question 4 - Why is the TSA website out of date (not installed at SD), and, why have they now upped the ante (the penalty) from the reported $10,000?
Question 5 - Why is the TSA 'investigating' Tyner? Is this more Obozo style 'Government by thuggery, threat and intimidation'?
These, and many other questions, need to be answered before this episode is finished.
Pilots and flight attendants need to be screened every time they go through security.
How would anybody else get a pre-screened pass?
It is insane that pilots and cabin crew have to be strip-searched like everyone else. For key-rist sakes, the pilot? My goodness, all he can do is crash the jet.
Your comment about the previous terrorist attack attempts is a swipe at the old system. Your “solution” is a swipe against the new system, which we’ve not yet had time to evaluate.
I mentioned Air Marshals as another possible solution. I didn’t attribute the statement to you or any other poster. There is no strawman. Either don’t comment or shoot it down.
I point out an argument against your solution and you act like a child. Way to drag your own post down into the gutter.
you can’t complain about the new procedures’ ineffectiveness. It will take time to show how effective it is in catching terrorists.
No one ( neither I or anyone else on this thread) has commented on the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the new measures. This is a strawman argument of your creation.
To use **your** reasoning, how can we know if pre-screening ( similar to government security clearances) would be effective or not unless we TRY it!!!
I strongly suspect that the reason TSA does not implement a pre-screening system is that BLACKS would fail disproportionally, and WHITES would pass disproportionally.
It would probably cost less to put more Air Marshals on the planes than it does to conduct these expanded searches.
Neither I or any other poster on this thread has mentioned “Air Marshals”. Why are you throwing out this strawman? I can not argue against a strawman of **your** creation.
Not proof read. I have stuff to do.
Cunard would also help you avoid the newly improved (increased) APT - Airline Passenger Tax on your way back. Always look at the cost breakdown of an air ticket, especially to/from the UK. The number of add-on fees and taxes and their size will shock you.
I would imagine that they proudly say that they are federal agents, thus leaving their friends awe-struck. :P
Well, let's dismiss simple solutions because they wouldn't work for par4! I've made three flights in the past ten or twenty years which weren't to or from an airport near my home, against at least 200 that were.
Obviously, one would have to get some sort of secure ID to even document where one has lived for some qualifying amount of time. There could be other ways to obtain a secure ID that maybe could apply to you. But the home address thing is something they could just mail to you with a duplicate to the town police based upon your tax return. The cost would be whatever it takes a few programmer to come up with a mailing. Your local police could charge whatever it would cost them to defray their cost, plus maybe a little profit to the town, to make a secure ID.
You could get something like a security clearance, but if you've ever had one you probably know they're not without cost. (For me, at least the FBI interviewed people who lived across the street from where I lived growing up, which was ten or more years before the clearance was applied for.)
ML/NJ
“But this isn’t really about security. It’s about turning the United States into a Police State.”
I agree. People are being desensitized and conditioned to accept any abuse the government subjects them to. What is next, boxcars? Don’t bother to pack, Comrades, clothes will be provided at your final destination.
Can we assume that ANY Muslim who has not committed an act of violence can get this also?
I pointed out an argument against the solution.
You don’t need to convince me. I’m not the one that will try and stop the idea. If you feel that your answer effectively countered what I’ve pointed out, then this discussion is over.
Now I’m interest to hear who is going to pay for these detailed background checks.
Thanks. I read something about that recently.
So having an additional agency or, worst yet a private contracted agency, try to see what clearance you may hold is going to run into some pretty solid brick walls. In other words, filing for a getting a special ID to breeze through airports would add another government agency to the bloat that is security anyway.
And yes, they did interview people I went to school with 25 years earlier, but for a traveler ID the background could be more like the E-Quip system that's in use now for entry to federal (unsecure) facilities.
I just get frustrated, I've cut back on my business travel and have only had about 20 round trips this year and, while it used to be pretty standard procedures that you could learn and be ready to go, this year things are slowly getting more and more problimatical. They had 1 body scanner in ABQ in September, by October there were 3 or 4 and everyone was going through them. Apparently, not everyone understands "take everything, including paper, out of your pockets". I'm sure that todays trip will be a new exercise in what to do.
Just venting, I can't wait to see what they have at Kileen Wednesday when I fly back.
ML/NJ
We can begin by clearing all those with TS and S clearances. Those have been paid for already. For others, not so “lucky” to be in a position to hold a USG clearance, let them pay for it, though the cost would be pretty darned high and prohibitive for most, I would imagine.
“Boost the economy, hire a private pilot”
Actually, a “private” pilot is a license that does not let the pilot fly for hire. A commercial pilot rating (and higher) allows that.
I get your point and would do that route if it cost the same, if a little more, than airlines.
here’s the website I found on Yahoo:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/trusted_traveler/
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