A little trolly WOSG
Posted on 11/12/2010 4:53:42 PM PST by Retired Intelligence Officer
I need some help on this. I was reading where Bobby Jindal was born to immigrants here on visas. If he was born in Baton Rouge before they became naturalized citizens, wouldn't that make him ineligible to become President? I am in a heated argument at another website over this and I need answers to this controversy. Any help would be appreciated.
R.I.O.
“Nope, It doesn’t work that way.”
Yes it does. It’s a simple term of art. SIMPLE.
If Susan was never a US Citizen, nor her husband..and the baby born in the US..
1......Is the baby a US citizen? Yes.
3......Is the baby NBC of the US? Yes.
See Wong Kim Ark and below ruling.
In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled in a Barack Obama eligibility lawsuit which tried to invalidate Obama’s receipt of Indiana’s Electoral College votes: “...we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”—Ankeny et. al v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels—November 12, 2009
There has been no successful appeal of the Court’s ruling in Ankeny.
There’s a great way to explain what ‘as much a citizen’ means by way of analogy. A banana is as much a piece of fruit as an apple, but obviously a banana is not an apple. By extending this analogy, a 14th amendment citizen is as much a citizen as is a natural born citizen who is born in the country to citizen parents. Obama is a fruit.
“Was Wong Kim Ark declared to be a US citizen at the time of his birth by the SCOTUS? Yes or no?”
“Yeeeessss, BUT ...”
Birthers have big buts.
Courts have and will extend this to asserting that birthright citizenship equates to natural-born citizen status. Clear and obvious to anyone who is not a birther ...
In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled in a Barack Obama eligibility lawsuit which tried to invalidate Obama’s receipt of Indiana’s Electoral College votes: “...we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”—Ankeny et. al v The Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels—November 12, 2009
There has been no successful appeal of the Court’s ruling in Ankeny.
When you dont have facts or logic, repeated assertion will do the trick. (/sarc)
“They did NOT say he was not a Natural Born Citizen.”
Yes, they did...when it said “as much a citizen as a NBC.”
It would make no sense to use those words if they declared him a NBC.
“In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled”
I defer to the words of the Constitution.
Courts are political and subject to whims. They could decide something totally different tomorrow.
The Constitution is the answer.
“Obama is a fruit.”
In many ways.
A hammer is “as much a tool” as a screwdriver, that doesn’t make the hammer a screwdriver. It’s only a tool.
Obama is a tool.
A little trolly WOSG
Oh, citing that stupid Indiana case I see - It’s stupidly laughable. Even the Obama lawyers have not cited that Indiana case because it is a crock.
Wong Kim Ark told us that NBC is defined outside of the Constitution and that citizenship at birth via the 14th amendment is defined BY the constitution. They’ve made a clear distinction between the two types of citizenship. Second, they affirmed Minor’s rejection of the 14th amendment in being necessary to define the citizenship of a natural born citizen: “The decision in that case was that a woman born of citizen parents within the United States was a citizen of the United States ...” In this statment they accept Minor’s decision and tie a requirement of parental citizenship to natural born citizenship. This also contradicts the so-called common law argument that natives are those born on U.S. soil “without any regard or reference to the political condition or allegiance of their parents.” This is why Justice Gray kept going back to the 14th amendment. Waite rejected it for anyone born of citizen parents, so Gray had to find a way to apply it to children of noncitizen residents.
Even the Ankeny appeals decision you keep citing recognizes that WKA did NOT find its plaintiff to be a natural born citizen. Whatever so-called ‘guidance’ they divined from the rest of the WKA decision is cherry-picked and misleading. But it’s also toothless because they avoided declaring Obama to be natural born citizen. They couldn’t because there’s no legal proof Obama was born in the United States. The meat of that decision was to uphold the lower court’s ruling on procedural grounds that the governor of Indiana could not be legally obligated or compelled to vet the Constitutional eligibility of a presidential candidate. It’s a logical fallacy to presume Ankeny’s failure to appeal means the ruling could not be overturned by a court with more integrity than the appeals court.
He is a prime candidate to the famous FReeper “Cod-fish” award!!!
Yeah, I remember that also, that this "Cod-fish" award candidate went total AWOL when confronted with air-routes vs. shipping routes!!!
Really!!!
Do you have a source for that???
They did NOT say he was not a Natural Born Citizen.
But did they then say he WAS a NBC???
Do you have a source for that???
Actually “The BOT” is right, aliens were required to register for the draft and today they are required to sign up with the selective service, HOWEVER, should war break out, the aliens can opt out by giving up their visas and legally returning to the country of their other allegiance.
Natural born citizens don't have that option as they have no ties to any other country and that is why they are called “NATURAL”, made by nature not by choice.
A PB&J sandwich is still a PB&J no matter whether the PB is on top or the J. It's just that the layers of colors of the ingredients look different when you flip it around. However, take one ingredient out and you can not tell which side is up and which is down as there is no distinction. Now they both look like sandwiches, it's just that one is more colorful than the other because it has an extra ingredient. In Obama’s case, he was born with an extra citizenship that gave him a choice which side he wants to show and from his actions, it clear that it's not his American side that he favors.
I got my entry visa approved 1982 after 3-1/2 yrs filling in tons of papers to the U.S. Consulate!
I entered here in the U.S, 1983 as a bona fide Resident Alien!!
I was NEVER asked to register for draft/selective service!!
Never heard about it even as becoming a U.S. citizen!!!
Obviously you still have your head buried in the sand as expected???
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