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Thanks for your kind and civil reply.

1. OF COURSE the MSM lie. As major propaganda organs of the globalists toward their tyrannical world government, it's been their job and assignment for more than 110 years.

2. THEREFORE WHEN the MSM begin racheting up the noise about ANYTHING--it signifies SOMETHING worth paying attention to because a decision has been made at the highest levels of the tyrannical world government to do so for A REASON OR REASONS.

3. It at least signifies a CHANGE in the status quo. And on this topic, any significant change in the status quo will be a dramatic one. Ignorance is unwise--probably exceedingly unwise.

4. Actually, I CAN tell you the majority perspectives of Pentecostals on the topic. They cluster roughly as follows:

A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.
B) It's all 100% demons. Some insist the craft themselves are actually demons morphing deceptively etc. I'd guess 60-40% hold variations on this perspective.
C) A small minority may hold curious idiosyncratic perspectives.

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5. I don't know of any solid research on actual percentages of the above. However, in my 45 years of studying the topic while participating in such circles, I suspect my guesses are as good as anyone's.It may be that 70-80% of such folks now realize there's a fallen angel/demonic aspect to the phenomena because more Christian books have come out on the topic in the last 5-10 years.

6. Nevertheless, like most RC's on FR, there's still a huge percentage of denial. I suspect the percentage of denial is significantly less because I think a larger percentage of Pentecostals and Charismatics read and pray about such goings on. They tend to be more tuned into supernatural things of all sorts and to wage more spiritual warfare against the forces of darkness than other groups do. I include Roman Catholic Charismatics in that 'more' side of things.

7. Actually, the religiosity does play a role. Guy Malone has documented more than 400 cases where the Name of Jesus, the Blood of Jesus applied in a spiritual warfare or many times just a declarative, assertive way--has halted abductions in progress and prevented further such. Many times, when such goings on have occurred down through generations of the same family--application of such Christian spiritual warfare principles and truths has halted the generational family attacks 100%.

8. There's some slight dissent to that perspective but closer exammination indicates that one MAY [evidently not always] need an authentic RELATIONSHIP with Jesus in order to successfully apply His Name and Blood against such forces of darkness.

9. The most disturbing thing to me--or one of the most--is the Vatican's obviously increasingly publically indicating that it has thrown in its lot with the critters. That it is doing so against a backdrop of also increasingly sounding globalist in nature as well--it's more than a little disturbing.

Quix

Actually, I CAN tell you the majority perspectives of Pentecostals on the topic. They cluster roughly as follows:

A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.
B) It's all 100% demons. Some insist the craft themselves are actually demons morphing deceptively etc. I'd guess 60-40% hold variations on this perspective.
C) A small minority may hold curious idiosyncratic perspectives.

Sorry didn't see this one before replying above -- however, NOTE, you gave me PERSONAL opinions, and I'm guessing that if you polled Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics, Presbyterians, BAptists etc. there would be numbers who fall into the three viewpoints you described.

It might be easier to ask a smaller group like the OPC (<27,000 members) what is their viewpoint --> Dr. E, what is the OPC viewpoint on aliens?

Quix

I don't know of any solid research on actual percentages of the above. However, in my 45 years of studying the topic while participating in such circles, I suspect my guesses are as good as anyone's.

Sorry didn't see this one before replying above -- I'm sorry, this cannot be true -- you cannot guess what other people think. You may have the % based on people you know, but there are lots of people you don't know and more specifically, since you believe in aliens etc, it is more likely that you will associate more with people who share the same viewpoint -- whatever be their religious background. Keeping that in mind, you cannot guess a % of who believes in what without a poll

I talk about religiousity in the sense that if you ran a poll of the above amongst various peoples of different religious background, the numbers would not depend on a person's religion --> there is no more likelihood that a FourSquare person will believe in Aliens just because you do and no more likelihood than a Unitarian Universalist or OPC member.

Finally, note that there is no “pronouncement” by The Church on aliens amongst us, no “throwing in” with any critters of any sort. These are all nice little stories spread by the lying MSM and which are, putting it bluntly, lies. There is no Presbyterian “pronouncement” on aliens, no Catholic, no Orthodox, no Pentecostal “pronouncement” of any sort. These are all individuals who are free to believe in aliens or not.

A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.

This is my perspective also. Maybe God reveals the truth to those he wants for his purposes and timing. My Pastor, whom I respect tremendously, Said I shouldn't be pessimistic, once the republicans win in a few weeks everything will get better. LOL. At this point when I hear these statements I just smile and nod my head and move on. BTW I am not pessimistic, I am totally optimistic that our Lord Jesus Christ wins!

They tend to be more tuned into supernatural things of all sorts and to wage more spiritual warfare against the forces of darkness than other groups do.

Quix, I'm in that group but I cannot say I ever attributed the UFO phenomena to demonic warfare. In fact, I never bothered to listen or read anything about UFO's. Who saw them, who didn’t - it didn’t matter to me. Never read an article here or elsewhere about them. The amount of interest it had to me was 'zero'. MY extent to anything UFO was bringing my children to see the 'cute little ET' movie many years ago.

Looking back now at that time, we all agreed what fun it would to be to befriend ET! Yes, 'make nice' was in play and came through by the producers.

THEN I'd see posts by others as if you are promoting UFO, your belief in them? Like on a natural realm. I was confused and then read some more of your posts and realized you were WARNING about the demonic realm. Did they even understand - you aren’t saying they are ‘real’ but ‘real demonic’.

Perhaps, I too, earlier would have made a flip comment because of my 'zero' interest and 'zero' knowledge in UFO's w/o reading/understanding it. But even a flip comment would have been more than my interest could bear.

THEN while scrolling through a thread I read one of your posts about the possible connection with the apparitions. It was at that point something clicked - it ALL started to make sense. Now that was about one or two months ago.

THEN I continue to see others using intimidation tactics (demonic, also) against you, posting pixs as if you are 'out there'. Isn't that typical - trying to shut your warning. The same people who don't take Scripture - TRUTH - serious for they only dabble in it.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

NOTICE how they wrestle with you and give no credence to the DARK FORCES, spiritual wickedness in high places. Again, they go against Scripture. Doing that makes one TOTALLY open to DECEPTION.

So, who else could satan deceive but ones who readily accept deception? Just to keep the Maryology real - the dark forces appear as an angel of light to them! Brilliant - keep the lie alive and make it stronger. AND IT WORKED because It is Written was ignored, once again.

From the very beginning satan used deception to Eve AGAINST what God REALLY SAID.

It’s all about making Jesus a side issue and make God’s Word questionable. That’s satan’s job from the beginning - and they can’t understand that. For one, Jesus is already a side issue and God’s Word already takes a back seat to RCC doctrine/teachings.

They are amazingly deceived. No words will release them from it. I'm all for telling once and then once more - then let them learn the hard way. REMEMBER, the gate is narrow and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.

SO, IMO, my time is better spent praising God and planting HiS WORD/HIS SEED within reading/meditating on The Word and witness the manifestation of His Word in my life. And share it with those WHO ARE TRULY SEEKING. NOT the ones who discount His Word for man-made teachings.

LASTLY, I thank you. While I'm very much aware of the dark forces in this evil world - I ignored the UFO 'junk'. Now I see it, rightly so, as another demonic tactic to deceive. And THE WORD backs it up.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

Dark Forces in heavenly places. Deception from the beginning in the garden until the end - when Jesus returns. THANK YOU!