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Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats
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Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren

(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.

In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson

(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...


TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: humor; missiles; panstarrs; quix; qx; ufo; usaf
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To: Quix; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta
G. K. Chesterton famously observed that when you stop believing in God, you don’t believe in nothing; you believe in anything. Similarly, in the absence of Christianity, you get (before Christ) things that anticipate it or (after Christ) things that are a cheap imitation of it.

UFOs, ETs, and aliens fill the hole left by a loss of a sense of the supernatural and angels, devils, and so forth. An abhorrence of fasting is replaced by a fascination with diets. A horror of spiritual discipline and penance is succeeded by manias for rigorous and punishing exercise. "Experts" are ordained by the media to lead us in matters temporal and spiritual, instead of priests. Fat, rather than sin, is sinful.
961 posted on 10/18/2010 7:16:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; esquirette
Quix
Actually, I CAN tell you the majority perspectives of Pentecostals on the topic. They cluster roughly as follows:

A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.
B) It's all 100% demons. Some insist the craft themselves are actually demons morphing deceptively etc. I'd guess 60-40% hold variations on this perspective.
C) A small minority may hold curious idiosyncratic perspectives.
Sorry didn't see this one before replying above -- however, NOTE, you gave me PERSONAL opinions, and I'm guessing that if you polled Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics, Presbyterians, BAptists etc. there would be numbers who fall into the three viewpoints you described.

It might be easier to ask a smaller group like the OPC (<27,000 members) what is their viewpoint --> Dr. E, what is the OPC viewpoint on aliens?
962 posted on 10/18/2010 7:22:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos

I would not have thought

that

“plausible deniability”

as a common principle that leaders enjoy using around the world was that unfamiliar.

The MSM documents of the Vatican observatory’s officals’ pronouncements are one thing.

My personal communications with Paola P Harris regarding her convictions and perspectives from her very long, frequent and intense exchanges with Vatican officials on the topic is much more significant and convincing.

However, feel free to be skeptical. The other shoe will drop in due course. I hope your neck is not under it—as it is likely to be full of lead—or worse.


963 posted on 10/18/2010 7:24:54 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

I don’t recall any of the major Pentecostal denominations issuing any pronouncements on it. Sometimes well known authors in such groups write articles that are published in house organ publications but I suspect that’s about the extent of it at this stage of things.

Most would probably be averse to tainting themselves by talking about the topic at all.


964 posted on 10/18/2010 7:26:34 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Quix
I don't know of any solid research on actual percentages of the above. However, in my 45 years of studying the topic while participating in such circles, I suspect my guesses are as good as anyone's.
Sorry didn't see this one before replying above -- I'm sorry, this cannot be true -- you cannot guess what other people think. You may have the % based on people you know, but there are lots of people you don't know and more specifically, since you believe in aliens etc, it is more likely that you will associate more with people who share the same viewpoint -- whatever be their religious background. Keeping that in mind, you cannot guess a % of who believes in what without a poll

I talk about religiousity in the sense that if you ran a poll of the above amongst various peoples of different religious background, the numbers would not depend on a person's religion --> there is no more likelihood that a FourSquare person will believe in Aliens just because you do and no more likelihood than a Unitarian Universalist or OPC member.
965 posted on 10/18/2010 7:27:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos; Alamo-Girl

There’s ample truths in some of those assertions.

However, the facts of the UFO/ET/globalism phenomena

WILL

be hitting everyone upside the head in due course.

I have 0.000000000000000000000% doubt about that.

Enoch seems quite clear about it, too.


966 posted on 10/18/2010 7:28:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Finally, note that there is no “pronouncement” by The Church on aliens amongst us, no “throwing in” with any critters of any sort. These are all nice little stories spread by the lying MSM and which are, putting it bluntly, lies. There is no Presbyterian “pronouncement” on aliens, no Catholic, no Orthodox, no Pentecostal “pronouncement” of any sort. These are all individuals who are free to believe in aliens or not.


967 posted on 10/18/2010 7:29:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
Cronos:
and more specifically, since you believe in aliens etc, it is more likely that you will associate more with people who share the same viewpoint --

LOL.

Are you REALLY that unaware of how difficult it is to find more than one person in the same county who holds similar beliefs about much of anything???

Actually, it really is not that true that I am much more around folks who agree with me about UFO'S ETC. My Christian circles fairly wholesale avoids the topic--even those who are aware and agree with me.

And, certainly in my travels and life across 3 continents, I have come routinely across far greater numbers of average persons of various religiosities.

Right this moment--apart from the UFO ping list on FR and the folks I've met at conferences, I'd be hard pressed to count on more than one hand the folks who agree with me to any significant degree. It would be hard to think of more than 8 or 10 people who are significantly informed outside of the groups I've mentioned above. And I'm speaking of more than 1000 people I know across 3 continents.

So, those assumptions, as logical as they may seem, are actually quite flawed.

On top of all that, is my sociologist and psychologist's trainings. I'm not that bad at guessing about group beliefs and behaviors. That became clear when I was doing my dissertation research involved with various religiosities--including, BTW, RC's both Charismatic and not.I don't recall any of my prelimminary percentage guesses being even one standard deviation off--certainly not more than one.

In this particular case, things have been changing so rapidly the last few years . . . even in the Christian publishing realm on the topic--my guesses may be off. I doubt they'd be off by more than 25%. Probably not more than 15% though it wouldn't greatly surprise me if they were.

One of the reasons is that wherever I am with whatever sort of group or individuals, if there's a way to segue into asking about their perspectives on such things, I query people a LOT. That still doesn't amount to every time I am out and about but it is a LOT over a few month's time--certainly compared to how much other people talk about it normally on average.

And, I have taught 2 classes per semester for most of 7+ years of 20-30 students each class and I query them about a wide variety of things. They are a clear cross section of the general population in most respects.

968 posted on 10/18/2010 7:44:12 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

I very much wish that you were correct about the Vatican.

I really do.

You are evidently simply grossly uninformed.

You are greatly wrong about it.

And it is very sadly that you are wrong. IT grieves me greatly that the Vatican HAS come out guardedly openly on the topic quite contrary to your understanding.

And it is working behind the scenes to up the ante step by step.


969 posted on 10/18/2010 7:47:10 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

Let me ask you, please,

Assume that I’m correct about the critters and the Vatican’s perspective on them.

What would your response be when it was so officially stated say in a Papal encyclical?

What if the Papal encyclical stated formally that it was an infallible Papal statement?


970 posted on 10/18/2010 7:48:36 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl

Ok, decide which —> UFOs and ETs or globalism. What exactly do you mean by globalism? Do you mean globalization? or do you mean trade? Or spreading of cultures or languages? Or do you mean mixing of peoples?


971 posted on 10/18/2010 8:18:20 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl

Oh, and of course, if you wish to believe whatever you want to about aliens, etc. that is your choice and I don’t believe it is influenced by your FourSquare membership. I have no doubt that there are FourSquare folks who believe the way you do and many who do not, just as you have the same amongst PResbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, Orthodox, Hindus, Muslims, Zoroastrians etc. — it’s not separated by religion but rather by individual opinion.


972 posted on 10/18/2010 8:20:34 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Quix
A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.

This is my perspective also. Maybe God reveals the truth to those he wants for his purposes and timing. My Pastor, whom I respect tremendously, Said I shouldn't be pessimistic, once the republicans win in a few weeks everything will get better. LOL. At this point when I hear these statements I just smile and nod my head and move on. BTW I am not pessimistic, I am totally optimistic that our Lord Jesus Christ wins!

973 posted on 10/18/2010 8:21:53 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

GLOBALISM:

The cabal of some 30 or so families who have held the reigns of money and power over the planet for more than 110 years.

The ones who are determined and close on the brink of overtly manifesting their control of the whole planet—first economically and then every other way . . . including a world single religion . . .

all as very well predicted in Scripture . . .

They are intent on merging a bastardized form of Communism and a bastardized form of monopolistic capitalism into a hermorphaditic horror of tyranny with every soul of what they will do all they can to reduce to 200 million souls globally—every human and animal chipped with an ID implant . . . yada yada yada

I’ve studied globalism since 1965.

These blokes have laid out their plans not all that hidden for most of the last 110 years:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2475963/posts?page=60#60

It is still shocking to me that many FREEPERS are so uninformed to unbelieving of the raw facts that have rooms full of evidence proving each fact.

OThuga is merely the latest designated treasonous DESTROYER of the old order.

They have controlled and manipulated the SElections for at least that long—some say back to the beginnings of our country.


974 posted on 10/18/2010 8:27:43 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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Those 30 families control 90%+ of the MSMedia around the world and

90%+ of the banks around the world.


975 posted on 10/18/2010 8:28:38 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

If you are going to continue the lie about my Foursquare membership—there is none.

There has never been any.

I have not even been attending a Foursquare congregation for more than 30 years . . .

If you persist with such falsehoods, this dialogue is over.


976 posted on 10/18/2010 8:30:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Paola B Harris is an "investigative journalist" --> she is PART OF THE MSM. She is not giving any "pronouncements" from The Church on UFOs because there have been no such thing. The MSM has lied to you.

The Church has issued no statements such as you refer to, these are fabrications made up by the MSM.

If you want to believe in aliens, go ahead, that's your prerogative. Perhaps you're right, perhaps not, in either case, The Church has made no statements either for or against your theories -- only the MSM media (remember Paola Harris is just another journo) has made up these stories. Anything she may say is just another individuals opinion --> it may even be a pastor's opinion, they're human after all, but it is NOT The Church's "pronouncement", any more than there is an OPC pronouncement on aliens amongst us
977 posted on 10/18/2010 8:31:14 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: marbren

I AGREE! AMEN! AMEN!

Actually 80% of the general population believe in such realities as UFO’s and most of those in ET’s.

However, I think the Pentecostal subgroup is much more in denial, hence those percentages.


978 posted on 10/18/2010 8:32:40 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Ok, if not the FoursQuare group (I thought you said you belonged to that, in any case, if you don’t, that’s not relevant to this discussion) — what does YOUR group have to pronounce on the existence of aliens? Do you have any pronouncements from your religious group on aliens and what your group believes the aliens are about?


979 posted on 10/18/2010 8:38:35 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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To: Cronos

The officials of the Vatican observatory have been quoted accurately in the MSM.

Paola Is one of the more tenacious, thorough, honorable researchers I’ve met amongst dozens.

Her access to Vatican officials on the topic is unprecedented and still largely secret, though her close relationship with the late Balducci at the Vatican is well known.

There are videos of the Vatican officials saying the same things publically . . . on YouTube that they have been quoted in the print media as saying.

Are you insisting that the Vatican officials are lying publically, themselves?

Making such flat assertions contrary to known video present fact does not enhance your credibility on the topic.


980 posted on 10/18/2010 8:38:48 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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