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To: Quix; Natural Law; Global2010; narses; Running On Empty; Mad Dawg; betty boop; Legatus; maryz
Quix: There appear to be increasing MSM articles etc.

Stop right there -- MSM basically lies -- look at the way they built up Obama. How can you trust anything they say? The MSM lies or distorts or puts words in the mouths of even indistinct, non-related comments. These are not proofs in any way.

Any debate/talk on UFOs etc. are not religious in nature and there can be no "Presbyterian" view or "Pentecostal" view or "FourSquare" view or "Anglican" view -- the view is either of those who subscribe to "aliens amongst us" or those who don't -- the religiousity or otherwise of the commentators do not play any role in this.

If I ask you "What is the Pentecostal conviction and perspective about UFOs?" can you give an answer? Or even "What is the FourSquare conviction and perspective about UFOs?" --> No, you cannot. You can give your own personal opinion, no more.
957 posted on 10/18/2010 1:43:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
Thanks for your kind and civil reply.

1. OF COURSE the MSM lie. As major propaganda organs of the globalists toward their tyrannical world government, it's been their job and assignment for more than 110 years.

2. THEREFORE WHEN the MSM begin racheting up the noise about ANYTHING--it signifies SOMETHING worth paying attention to because a decision has been made at the highest levels of the tyrannical world government to do so for A REASON OR REASONS.

3. It at least signifies a CHANGE in the status quo. And on this topic, any significant change in the status quo will be a dramatic one. Ignorance is unwise--probably exceedingly unwise.

4. Actually, I CAN tell you the majority perspectives of Pentecostals on the topic. They cluster roughly as follows:

A) DENIAL--nothing going on. I'd guess 40-60% hold this perspective.
B) It's all 100% demons. Some insist the craft themselves are actually demons morphing deceptively etc. I'd guess 60-40% hold variations on this perspective.
C) A small minority may hold curious idiosyncratic perspectives.

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5. I don't know of any solid research on actual percentages of the above. However, in my 45 years of studying the topic while participating in such circles, I suspect my guesses are as good as anyone's.It may be that 70-80% of such folks now realize there's a fallen angel/demonic aspect to the phenomena because more Christian books have come out on the topic in the last 5-10 years.

6. Nevertheless, like most RC's on FR, there's still a huge percentage of denial. I suspect the percentage of denial is significantly less because I think a larger percentage of Pentecostals and Charismatics read and pray about such goings on. They tend to be more tuned into supernatural things of all sorts and to wage more spiritual warfare against the forces of darkness than other groups do. I include Roman Catholic Charismatics in that 'more' side of things.

7. Actually, the religiosity does play a role. Guy Malone has documented more than 400 cases where the Name of Jesus, the Blood of Jesus applied in a spiritual warfare or many times just a declarative, assertive way--has halted abductions in progress and prevented further such. Many times, when such goings on have occurred down through generations of the same family--application of such Christian spiritual warfare principles and truths has halted the generational family attacks 100%.

8. There's some slight dissent to that perspective but closer exammination indicates that one MAY [evidently not always] need an authentic RELATIONSHIP with Jesus in order to successfully apply His Name and Blood against such forces of darkness.

9. The most disturbing thing to me--or one of the most--is the Vatican's obviously increasingly publically indicating that it has thrown in its lot with the critters. That it is doing so against a backdrop of also increasingly sounding globalist in nature as well--it's more than a little disturbing.

958 posted on 10/18/2010 6:18:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
Cronos, you and/or several others on FR COULD quietly connect with knowledgable sources at the Vatican or the Vatican observatory and find out to what degree the public pronouncements of such officials on the part of the Vatican's perspective on ET's really reflect the perspective of the hierarchy and even the Pope.

My take is that the Pope like a lot of governments is taking a step by step plan of conditioning the sheeple to accepting that perspective--that ET's are either benign and wonderful--not in need of Salvation or candidates for Salvation through Christ.

I think it's likely that more formal, official Papal encyclicals on the issues are at least months if not several years off, yet. However, the shift has been started. And it has been officially started. That much is clear.

959 posted on 10/18/2010 6:23:29 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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