Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.
In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson
(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...
i UNDERSTAND your reasoning and perspective. Would likely be valid in many cases.
I’m just noting that you can’t be certain about this particular case, imho,
BECAUSE
as a psychologist, that I HAVE PERSONALLY KNOWN quite a number of kids [not just teens but younger even than teens—e.g. toddlers] even who were absolutely fearless in many situations where the total absence of fear was totally irrational.
What made them that way is a whole ‘nother discussion. I just know for a FACT that such kids exist and this kid was likely one of them. His narrative is 100% congruent with my knowledge of such kids.
In my experience, such kids comes from 2 major factors:
A) Basic genetic energy, personality, temperament that is aggressive and outgoing;
B) LACK OF ANY significant ATTACHMENT DISORDER yielding an added confidence and fearlessness.
C) Sometimes there’s also a component of a kind of naivite wherein the stakes involved in a situation are not well comprehended. That probably relates, in part, to a THRILL-SEEKING GENE that has been verified a lot in research literature. The situation is seen as EXCITING insteaed of as dangerous—even when the danger is obvious to others.
Do a search on the *formula* for some interesting results.
You might want to be careful that your advocacy doesn’t override your empiricism.
Actually
it was my empirical experience as a psychologist that forced me to elaborate.
I was first inclined, in my thoughts, to agree with you.Then I felt a check and quickly realized there was more to it than you seemed to be seeing and that your experience with people was evidently not the same as mine.
The question is: are you an advocate or a scientist?
True.
And, the answer is, obviously,
YES.
And you?
You appear to have the same challenge, in this case.
Since nearly all UFO evidence is anecdotal, the source must be very carefully considered. A massive percentage of these accounts is questionable (though innocently so). Yet in that huge pile of manure, there are nuggets of what appear to be genuine first hand accounts (direct evidence). The task of the unbiased mind is to pick this evidence apart very carefully and not be influenced by normal human desire or emotion.
As to the account in question, I never said the guy was or was not telling the truth, I said my BS detector went off...the story broke down (i.e. red flags mean more evidence needed in this case).
I will say however that IMHO you jumped to his defense instead of wondering about any red flags.
BTW, you aren't the only one around here with experience in human behavior and it is arrogant to assume an attitude of superiority. I say that because I know you to be passionate and not arrogant...but I also know your passion can lead to a dismissiveness of others when they take positions at odds with your own.
I know you will forgive me in advance for my being so forward. As you know well, I carry my own huge load of human foibles and have little room to talk.
All this said, we are on the same team and, if you haven't forgotten, I have jumped to your defense (often unnecessarily) on many occasions.
metmom, please act on those thoughts ASAP.
-houeto.
I have been. We’re set for some time.
I keep getting flack for it from my family. Too bad....
They’ll appreciate it when the time comes.
No sweat.
I wholesale agree.
Thx.
INDEED.
” It was a “How dare they embarrass ME moment.
“” Classic Malignant Narcissism.””
Nobody could have stated it better....
LOL!
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/virginia/video-blue-colored-ufo-in-centreville-110410
THX THX
In my experience, many men don’t like to admit when they are scared - especially when they are young...
That said, it is the very lack of honesty as to such an admission (and the submerging of a powerful emotional response such as fear) that might make other observations at that point unreliable.
In fact, a powerful emotion suppressed has a way of scratching itself back to the surface in ways that blur the memory of the experience which caused the emotion to begin with. And the greater the emotion suppressed, the greater the blurring/confusion of the memory of that experience.
Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.
Want proof _____ ? Well here it is:
Representative John Haller Seems Upset When Reading a Bill on UFO Disclosure in Congress
LOL, LOL !
Below is a photo of a real UFO. But there is no proof about where it came from or whether it is one of 'theirs' or one of 'ours.' Everything is classified.
THANKS MUCH.
I AGREE.
Thanks for the link.
Will post some more interesting links on a diversity of stuff . . . hopefully shortly.
Please take my name off this ping list. Thanks.
Some more interesting puzzle pieces on various topics . . .
PLEASE see Ex-Texan’s post #1437 above.
http://www.helium.com/items/2007974-west-coast-mystery-missile-may-be-north-korean
West Coast mystery missile may be North Korean
by Terrence Aym
“A shot over the bow,” is what some in America’s intelligence community are whispering under the stunned media’s demands for answers.
And if the United State’s Navy is telling the truth, heads will roll among some of the Pentagon’s brass for permitting a foreign enemy vessel to breach U.S. sovereign territory and send a chilling message to the American government.
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But another more frightening scenario is being discussed by insiders at Homeland Security and the super-secret National Security Agency: North Korea has rattled its saber again—this time with a very, very large missile launched from a Sang-O class sub modified to carry a missile or towing a missile launching sea sled. A sea sled missile launch platform was first perfected by Nazi Germany in WWII and planned for use in the closing months of the war against New York and Washington, D.C.
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Unconfirmed reports filtering in claim the missile harmlessly splashed down in the northwest Pacific.
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North Korea Develops Long-Range Sub Nuke
http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/11/10/north-korea-develops-long-range-sub-nuke/
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ATS THREAD ABOUT SUCH THINGS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread629781/pg1
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Jacques Vallee: Wonders in the Sky,
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread628495/pg1
Vallee’s website:
comment downthread at above link:
Hi Krepta, DM, aaradia and anyone who is coming on
Interesting reference Valee made earlier about how Rome has always demand immediate reports about any sightings in the sky. I am sure it’s not because the want to be alerted to the alleged second coming of Christ either.......
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COULD STANLEY FULHAM BE CORRECT? ARE WE WITNESSING DISCLOSURE?
http://bigwobblenews.blogspot.com/2010/10/could-stanley-fulham-be-correct-are-we.html
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Do ancient petroglyphs say . . . essentially that . . .
WHEN THE SPIRALS APPEAR, GO UP HIGH WHERE THE SHEEP ARE?
http://www.youtube.com/user/SmokinJoeTrainer#p/u
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http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madsen-china-fired-missile-seen-in-southern-california/
excerpt:
Excerpt:
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia * * *
Ex—Texan: People have a right to know. But Obama’s covering up the truth . . .
Qx: OThuga wouldn’t know the truth if it bit his . . . . uhhhh . . . nose off.
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Shrillery discussing ET’s with Laurance Rockefeller at his Wyoming ranch . . . reading Paul Davies’ ARE WE ALONE . . . photo with her holding the book . . .
http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clintons-et-book-discovered/
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Fall of the Republic HQ full length version
(video re our allegiance to the BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION)
http://www.youtube.com/user/aliciabanks#p/a/f/1/VebOTc-7shU
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Heretic Among Heretics: Jacques Vallee Interview
Conspire.com
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Summary: In-depth interview with leading UFO researcher, Jacques Vallee.
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In his recent autobiographical book, Forbidden Science, Vallee summed up his views about the provenance of UFOs, a viewpoint that he’s developed through decades of research: “The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them.” So much for anti-gravity-powered starships ferrying Big Brothers from outer space. Vallee thinks UFOs are likely “windows” to other dimensions manipulated by intelligent, often mischievous, always enigmatic beings we have yet to understand. (60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time covers Vallee’s theories in detail.)
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60GCAT: So what do we know for sure about the nature of UFOs?
Vallee: There is a phenomenon. We don’t know where it comes from. It’s characterized by its physical [traces]. Eighty percent of all the cases have trivial explanations. But I’m talking about the core phenomena. It seems to involve a lot of energy in a small space; it seems to involve pulsed microwaves, among other things. There isn’t much that is known about the effect of pulsed microwaves on the brain, so it’s quite possible that some of the stories that you get from people are essentially induced hallucinations in sincere witnesses—the witnesses are not lying. They really have been exposed to something genuine but there is no way to go back to what that thing was, based on their description, because their brain has been affected by proximity to that energy.
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Vallee: I started out wanting to do astronomy and I ruined essentially a perfectly good career in science by becoming interested in computers. This was in France in the early days of computing and the earliest days of satellites and space exploration. So I took some of the earliest computer courses at French universities.
My first job was at Paris observatory, tracking satellites. And we started tracking objects that were not satellites, were fairly elusive, and so we decided that we would pay attention to those objects even though they were not on the schedule of normal satellites. And one night we got eleven data points on one of these objects—it was very bright. It was also retrograde. This was at a time when there was no rocket powerful enough to launch a retrograde satellite, a satellite that goes around opposite to the rotation of the earth, where you obviously need to overcome the earth’s gravity going the other direction. You have to reach escape velocity in the direction opposite the rotation of the earth, which takes a lot more energy than the direct direction. And the man in charge of the project confiscated the tape and erased it the next morning.
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PT2
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Vallee refers to this complex system of control—which is shaping human society over the course of thousands of years—as an “interface of reality with consciousness.” It sounds a lot like Arthur C. Clarke’s science fictional theme in 2001: A Space Odyssey—an alien intelligence subtly directing the course of human development, toward mysterious ends. Talk about your cosmic conspiracies!
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60GCAT: One theory is that this liquid metal is part of the UFOs’ propulsion system.
Vallee: There are [man-made] motors that use liquid metal—usually mercury—for liquid contact. But the temperatures necessary for molten aluminum and other metals would have to be quite extreme.
60GCAT: What about liquid sky samples that are of a slightly more exotic makeup than the aluminum slag?
Vallee: The only one that’s unusual is the one that Prof. Peter Sturrock (a plasma physicist at Stanford University) has. It comes from Ubatuba, Brazil. In the early 1930s, an object exploded over a beach in Ubatuba. [In 1957, an alleged fragment from the explosion turned up; its precise origin is uncertain.] Subsequent analysis at the University and Colorado and Stanford confirmed that the material was magnesium and magnesium oxide, with a very minute amount of impurities. If the metal really did originate in the 1930s, it would be very unusual because given the technology of the day, someone would have had to go to a lot of trouble to get it that pure.
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60GCAT: Your theories about UFOs and other “paranormal” phenomena involve your metaphor of the “informational universe,” where time and space and whatever other dimensions there might be act as a kind of cosmic computer database. What do you mean by that?
Vallee: You can get a consistent representation of reality if you look at the world as a collection of events, or ‘instances’ (as the philosophy of Occasionalism did in the eleventh century), rather than as a collection of material objects moving in 3-dimensional space as time flows. In virtual reality, of course, you can’t tell the difference. In the real world information and energy are actually the same physical quantity. In a universe viewed as ‘informational events’ you should expect coincidences, telepathy, time travel, multiple realities—all those things that seem impossible in the 4-D energy universe. To me that’s why puzzles like UFOs are interesting. I don’t have a personal theory to “explain” them, but I see them as an opportunity to pose new questions. If it’s true that information resides in the questions we ask, coming up with novel problems may be more important than having answers, at this stage of our very limited understanding of the universe.
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The Controllers
60GCAT: You’ve said that UFOs represent a form of alien intelligence that is actively manipulating human society. How and toward what end?
Vallee: A new computer analysis of historical trends, compiled in the 1970s, led me to plot a striking graph of “waves” of UFO activity that was anything but periodic. Fred Beckman and Dr. Price Williams of UCLA pointed out that it resembled a schedule of reinforcement typical of a learning or training process: the phenomenon was more akin to a control system than to an exploratory task force of alien travelers. There are many control systems around us, and some are a part of nature: ecology, climate, etc. Some are man-made: the process of education, the thermostat in your home. If the UFO phenomenon represents a control system, can we test it to determine if it is natural or artificial, open or closed? This is one of the interesting questions about the phenomenon that has never been answered.
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