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After reading this, what should the response of any President be to a judge who orders the military to accept homosexuals?

(Letter begins at page 277 of link.)

1 posted on 09/25/2010 5:55:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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Constitution ping!


2 posted on 09/25/2010 5:57:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Jacquerie

“Boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem.”

It is the part of a good judge to enlarge his jurisdiction.

Timeless Jefferson.


4 posted on 09/25/2010 6:01:47 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If anybody believes they can increase taxes today, they're out of their mind." -- Mayor Daley)
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To: Jacquerie
You can thank John Adams for today's excessive supreme court power. In a typical fit of liberal pique, after losing to Jefferson, packed the federal courts. One of these ideologically like-minded liberals was Marbury of" Marbury v. Madison" which anointed the supreme court to their present extra-constitutional perch.

5 of our first 7 presidents served two terms. The two that served only one term were liberals...and they were both named Adams.

5 posted on 09/25/2010 6:04:18 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Jacquerie

The Federal courts now have powers that were never given to them by We the People. They just took those powers for themselves. This needs to be stopped. No government court should ever be telling US what the Constitution or the Bill of Rights mean. We the People should be telling the government what the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean. That’s our job! It’s what the Founding Fathers intended for us to do.


6 posted on 09/25/2010 6:04:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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To: Jacquerie

The ultimate arbiters of the Constitution are the people, since the power inherent in it has the people as its source.

“We, the People of the United States...”

Having said that, those who represent us, each and every officer of government, in every branch and at every level, has a sworn duty to correctly interpret and follow the Constitution in every detail.

Just because one officer in one branch breaches that oath, no other officer in other branch has leave to breach his own.

The primary reason the courts are out of control now is that our executives and legislators are refusing to do their Constitutional duty.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party is rotted clear through with judicial supremacists.

And it’s taking down the republic and destroying our liberty.


7 posted on 09/25/2010 6:06:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.)
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To: Jacquerie

No! There is a relatively new book, “Nullification,” by Thomas E. Woods. The author’s argument “The Supreme Court itself, after all, although usually pointed to as the monopolistic and infallible judge of the constitutionality of the federal government’s action, itself a branch of the federal government.”
True check on the federal government is the several States. The states have the power to nullify any action of the federal government by a simple majority. Great book just got started reading it. Very timely.


9 posted on 09/25/2010 6:11:44 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Jacquerie

I believe that a fully informed jury is the last ditch.


11 posted on 09/25/2010 6:14:43 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Jacquerie

Pardon me for posting this again here...
Impeachment of Supreme Court Justices
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Constitution of the United States
Article I Section 2: The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.
Article II Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article III Section 1: The judicial power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behavior, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
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A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and then removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Article I and II of the Constitution.

Article III, Section 1 states that judges shall hold their offices “during good behavior.” The courts have interpreted the phrase “good behavior” to be the same level of seriousness as “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

So, although the mechanism for doing so exists, NO Supreme Court justice has EVER been “removed from office” by the Senate, and ONLY ONE Supreme Court Justice has ever been “impeached” by the House of Representatives.

In 1804, the House of Representatives accused Samuel Chase (a signer of the Declaration of Independence) of letting his political leanings affect his rulings, and served him with eight articles of impeachment. One article concerned Chase’s handling of the trial of John Fries; two concerned his conduct in the trial of James Callender; four concerned Chase’s procedural errors on various matters; and the eighth article had to do with Chase’s “intemperate and inflammatory”; “indecent and unbecoming”; “highly unwarrantable”; and “highly indecent” remarks made to a Baltimore grand jury. In 1805, the Senate acquitted Chase of all charges, establishing the right of the judiciary to independent opinion. Chase continued on the Court until his death in June 1811.

In 1957, Georgia Governor Marvin Griffin signed a resolution passed by the Georgia General Assembly titled “The Impeachment of Certain U.S. Supreme Court Justices”. The resolution targeted six Supreme Court Justices (Earl Warren, Hugo Black, William O. Douglas, Tom Campbell Clark, Felix Frankfurter, and Stanley Forman Reed) who were believed to be enabling communism with their decisions “for usurping the congressional power to make law in violation of Article I, Sections I and 8”, “violations of Sections 3 and 5 of the 14th Amendment”, and “nullification of the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.” Nothing ever came of their efforts. Signs were erected across the south saying “Impeach Earl Warren”, many of which were still standing when Warren retired from the bench in 1969.

Abe Fortas (served from 1965-1969) was almost impeached due to a tax and financial scandal involving Wall Street financier, Louis Wolfson. When President Richard Nixon learned of the scandal, he said Fortas should be “off of there”. The House of Representatives had already taken preliminary steps toward impeachment. Chief Justice Earl Warren urged Fortas to resign, to save the reputation of the Court. Fortas resisted at first, but eventually stepped down “to avoid damaging his wife’s legal career”.


12 posted on 09/25/2010 6:14:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Jacquerie

Please teach your children how to read the constitution and THE BILL of RIGHTS.


13 posted on 09/25/2010 6:17:11 PM PDT by mirkwood (Jackie is the love of my life)
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Pennsylvania State Supreme Court Judge John Bannister Gibson agreed with Jefferson here in his famous dissent in Eakin v.s Raub, who wrote "The judiciary must be a peculiar organ, to revise the proceedings of the legislature, and to correct its mistakes; and in what part of the Constitution are we to look for this proud preeminence?"

In the Anti-Federalist Papers, "Brutus," generally believed to be New York State Supreme Court Justice Robert Yates, likewise warned what would happen with an out-of-control activist judiciary, writing in his 15th essay that "The supreme court under this constitution would be exalted above all other power in the government, and subject to no control."

15 posted on 09/25/2010 6:20:50 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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For those who desire an anti-Federalist critique of this issue, please read Brutus #12, Part 1, especially the explications that follow the essay.
17 posted on 09/25/2010 6:29:02 PM PDT by Publius (The government only knows how to turn gold into lead.)
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To: Jacquerie

seems to me that the extreme efforts made to seperate power and provide checks and balances was an admission by the framers that power corrupts.
Each branch of government is required by oath to uphold the Constitution.
The courts are merely another fail safe to stand between the Constitution and the legislative and executive branches possible breach of the Constitution.
The court actually has no ability to alter the Constitution.
If it fails to properly act in defense of that document it is as corrupted as the other branches and has no authority.
The States, as representing the people have more authority legally.
The Constitution ultimately is the people legal sheild against all of these institutions and empowers them to dismiss them at will.


19 posted on 09/25/2010 6:31:15 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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And let’s not forget about the 57 State Supreme Courts either.


21 posted on 09/25/2010 6:39:34 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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FYI the Confederate constitution permitted the legislatures of any three states to jointly impeach any federal judge and force a trial in the Senate.


22 posted on 09/25/2010 6:42:50 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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Is The Supreme Court the Ultimate Arbiter of the Constitution?

No.

The ultimate arbiter of government frequently comes down to the will of those willing to take up arms and prevail, It was true for the IS in the 1770s, and the 1860s.

I think people are pretty well keeping track on which side members of the bar sit, if it comes to that. How did the Tories fare?

25 posted on 09/25/2010 7:08:23 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jacquerie

As noted by others, the Supreme Court has no Constitutional authority over the CiC of the military. The supreme authority over all three branches is supposed to be ‘ We the People’. The difficulty with this is that the body of ‘We the People’ changes. At the last election it changed to Obama’s favor. Hopefully in November another change will occure against Obama.


27 posted on 09/25/2010 7:23:06 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Jacquerie; EternalVigilance; All
EternalVigilance points out an important point. There are misinterpretations of Marshall which have been used repeatedly in order to justify actions that are not constitutional.

In "Our Ageless Constitution," is an essay by Dr. Walter Berns and edited for that book, entitled "Do We Have A Living Constitution?" One portion of that essay deals with what appears to have been a deliberate attempt to misquote and misinterpret Marshall in order to justify the so-called "living constitution" idea of the Progressives. That portion is excerpted here:

"A former president of the American Political Science Association argues that the idea of a " 'living Constitution'...can trace its lineage back to John Marshall's celebrated advice in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819): 'We must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs' " The words quoted are certainly Marshall's but the opinion attributed to him is at odds with his well-known statements that, for example, the "principles" of the Constitution "are deemed fundamental [and] permanent" and, except by means of formal amendment, "unchangeable" (Marbury v. Madison). It is important to note that the discrepancy is not Marshall's; it is largely the consequence of the manner in which he is quoted - ellipses are used to join two statements separated by some eight pages in the original text. Marshall did not say that the Constitution should be adapted to the various crises of human affairs; he said that the powers of Congress are adaptable to meet those crises. The first statement appears in that part of his opinion where he is arguing that the Constitution cannot specify "all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit;" if it attempted to do so, it would "partake of the prolixity of a legal code" (McCulloch v. Maryland), In the second statement, Marshall's subject is the legislative power, and specifically the power "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution" the explicitly granted powers.

"Neither Marshall nor any other prominent members of the founding generation can be 'appropriated' by the living Constitution school to support their erroneous views. Marshall's and the Founders' concern was not to keep the Constitution in tune with the times but, rather, to keep the times to the extent possible, in tune with the Constitution. And that is why the Framers assigned to the judiciary the task of protecting the Constitution as written.

"They were under no illusions that this would prove to be an easy task. Nevertheless, they had reason to believe that they had written a constitution that deserved to endure and, properly guarded, would endure. Hence, Madison spoke out forcefully against frequent appeals to the people for change. Marshall had this Madisonian passage in mind when, in his opinion for the Court in Marbury, he wrote:

"At this point, it is well to remember Hamilton's strong warning about unwarranted presumptions by those in government of a power to depart from the people's established form as quoted in the title of this essay.

"Marshall referred to the "principles" which he called "permanent," and the "basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected" Yet Marshall also chose to address the much broader issue of the general scope of the national powers. The Constitution must be construed to "...allow to the national legislature that discretion, with respect to the means by which the powers it confers are to be carried into execution, which will enable that body to perform the high duties assigned to it, in the manner most beneficial to the people." It is these powers, not the Constitution, which are flexible and adaptable to meet the crises of "human affairs."

"Ironically, the very case cited by the "living Constitution" school, when properly read, demonstrates that John Marshall, at least, saw, no need for flexibility in the Constitution.

Summary: Do We Have A Living Constitution?

"What has been undertaken here has been providing (within a very brief compass indeed) an accurate statement of the principles underlying the American Constitution: pointing to (but by no means elaborating) the political theory from which they derive and the constitutional conclusions to which they lead. Among the latter is the untenability of the proposition that constitutional limitations can be jettisoned, constitutional power enhanced, or the constitutional divi­sion of powers altered, by means other than formal constitutional amendment.

"It will not be argued that it may sometimes be convenient to allow the Senate to originate a bill "for raising revenue," but convenience is not a measure of constitutionality. There is much to be said in favor of the legislative veto - Who would, in principle, deny the need of checks on administrative agencies? - but, as the Supreme Court correctly said, the Framers anticipated that Congress might find reason to employ such devices and, when designing the so-called "presentment clause" in Article 1, Section 7, forbade them ( Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha). And from a particular par­tisan perspective it is understandably frustrating, simply because the required number of states had not yet ratified the Equal Rights Amendment, to be denied the power to pro­mote the cause of sexual equality; but frustration alone cannot justify a judicial attempt to preclude the necessity of for­mal ratification, as Justice Brennan is said to have wished to do. In Frontiero v. Richardson (411 U.S. 677, 1973) the Supreme Court was divided on the issue of whether sex, like race, should be treated as a suspect classification. We are told that Justice Brennan circulated a draft opinion in which he proposed to declare classification by sex virtually impermissi­ble and that he knew this would have the effect of "enacting" the pending ERA. "But Brennan was accustomed to having the Court out in front, leading any civil rights movement," a major publication stated. Hence, we are further told, he saw "no reason to wait several years for the states to ratify the amendment." No reason, that is, other than the fact, which Brennan implicitly acknowledged, that the Constitu­tion as then written, and which had not yet been rewritten by the only people authorized to rewrite it, did not support the role he would have the Court hand down.

"Those who would use "convenience" or "frustration" as reason, or who insist that it lies within the powers of the Court (or the Congress or the Executive) to effect constitutional change, can be charged with a lack of respect for the principles on which, as Marshall wisely observed: "the whole American fabric has been erected."

"We are told that it is unreasonable - even foolish - to expect that the Framers could have written a Constitution suitable alike for a society of husbandman and a society of multinational corporations, to say nothing of one as well adapted to the age of the musket and sailing ship as to the age of intercontinental nuclear-tipped missiles. As the problems have changed, the argument goes, so must the manner in which they are confronted and solved, and the Constitution cannot be allowed to stand in the way. Indeed, there is no reason to allow it to stand in the way, we are told, because the Framers intended it to be flexible. And we are told that John Marshall would support this position. But it was Marshall, in McCulloch v. Maryland, who stated: "Throughout this vast republic, from the St. Croix to the Gulf of Mexico, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, revenue is to be collected and expended, armies are to be marched and supported." The United States, in this view was not intended to be a simple society of husbandmen, and Marshall Clearly saw that the Constitution empowered Congress to do what was required to meet the crises of the Republic, and to maintain the Constitutional structure intended by the Framers, changing it only when such change would be in keeping with the structure itself.

"That the American Constitution is long-lived, has enduring qualities, and was intended for the ages cannot be doubted. That it was founded on enduring principles, and that it was based on the authority of a people who are sovereign has been attested to by many of its leaders. That it can be changed when, and if, the people ordain such change is a part of its own provisions. For these reasons, it can be said to be a "Living Constitution" - but let that not be claimed by those who would use the language to subvert the structure."


Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates,1987) Part VII:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5: (Essay adapted by Editors for publication in this Volume in consultation with Dr. Walter Berns from Berns' article by the same title in National Forum , The Phi Kappa Phi Journal, Fall 1984)

Justice Story asserted that it is "We, the People" who are the real arbiters of the Constitution. In a comment of admiration for its architecture and beauty, he concluded by saying:

"...and its defenses are impregnable from without. It has been reared for immortality, if the work of man may justly aspire to such a title. It may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, or corruption, or negligence of its only keepers, THE PEOPLE. Republics are created by virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens."


31 posted on 09/25/2010 7:53:36 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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There is the Constitution of the United States of America operating under the application of the jurisdiction of the 14th Amendment and it’s derivative Act of 1871.

And then there is the original Constitution for the united states of America without the application of the jurisdiction of the 14th Amendment or it’s derivative Act of 1871.

The Supreme Court knows that the difference between these two is literally night and day, and that this difference determines every word out of their august mouths.

Yet none of the millions of words written by hundreds, if not thousands, of Constitutional “experts” touches this subject with a ten foot pole.

This would be laughable, if it wasn’t so utterly, stupendously, catastrophic.

And The Band Plays On.


37 posted on 09/25/2010 8:52:05 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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“Is The Supreme Court the Ultimate Arbiter of the Constitution?”

No. Of course not.

The PEOPLE are the ultimate “arbiters” of the Constitution, if indeed that Constitution means anything at all.

We are destined to find this out in the months and years ahead.

Interesting times, indeed.


39 posted on 09/25/2010 9:34:57 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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48 posted on 09/26/2010 9:36:59 AM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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