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Why We Shouldn't Burn Korans (Vanity)
Vanity | 09-06-10 | Self

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:53:35 PM PDT by oldleft

None of us should burn a koran, or any book for that matter. We should all have access to every available text ever written and be able to make up our own minds about it.

Sure, I understand that the pending koran burning is a political statement more than an action to rid the world of the stupid book. But it sends the wrong message.

I WANT people to read this book, to truly understand its message. Taken in the context of modern events no sane person could possibly take the koran seriously. Imagine if more people had read "Mien Kampf" or the "Communist Manifesto." Imagine if in 1900 "Das Kapital" was required reading. How many lives could have been saved?

So instead of burning this stupid book we should be encouraging people to read it. READ the koran, and try to UNDERSTAND it. Only then will people know its true and terrifying nature.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: islam; koran; rop
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To: SwedeBoy2
We're not talking about Afghanistan, we're talking about Petraeus.

-PJ

121 posted on 09/07/2010 11:16:20 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: HospiceNurse
But, FR is full of nominal Americans who reserve the right to burn others’ books and condemn others’ religions.

Really? Is this Where you stand on Freedom of Speech? What other parts of the constitution are you against? Or is this just a feel good position for you for the moment?


122 posted on 09/07/2010 11:21:11 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Morpheus2009
they get to hear the language of tyrants

The language of the democrats........
123 posted on 09/07/2010 11:23:36 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: skeeter
He, or more likely his boss Obama, has made it a foreign policy issue.

Absolutely. Excellent points.
124 posted on 09/07/2010 11:26:30 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Embarrassed, not embarassed. Geez, I’m so embarrassed.


125 posted on 09/07/2010 11:32:29 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: wku man

The statement that such actions place our forces at greater risk manifests the strategic objectives have not been met in changing the will of the enemy and the war has not been won.


126 posted on 09/07/2010 11:35:15 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: wku man

Sadly, not many understand that very obvious fact. Islam is a religion of lies and hatred. And it’s not just a religion. It’s also a political structure, which makes it exponentially more dangerous. People need to wake up.


127 posted on 09/07/2010 11:36:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: fred4prez
"We will never speak of our religion to them unless they ask"

Then either your group doesn't understand the Gospel, or fails to love their fellow man, and/or fails to perform the Great Commission. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

128 posted on 09/07/2010 11:38:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: ansel12

Pastor to Host Halloween Bible-Burning Event
Published October 22, 2009
A North Carolina pastor plans to host a Halloween event at his church to burn heretical books. At the top of the list — the Bible”

“US burns Bibles in Afghanistan row 22 May 2009
Colonel Greg Julian told Al Jazeera on Wednesday.
“It was their best judgement at the time, that the best way to deal with it, was to destroy them and I understand that they were burnt.”


129 posted on 09/07/2010 11:40:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

well stated.


130 posted on 09/07/2010 11:41:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Here we go. Here's confirmation that Holder made a statement about the planned Koran burning.

Attorney general: Quran-burning plan 'idiotic, dangerous'

131 posted on 09/07/2010 11:42:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks. I’ll check it out.


132 posted on 09/07/2010 11:54:20 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I concur that Petraeus might have cause to comment, depending upon the situation, but I find his comments to manifest he sits on the wrong side of the issue. It also indicates a lack of virtue in our leadership.

Several issues arise.

1) Insofar as the Koran-burning act might be judged in Divine terms, there is nothing wrong in the act, unless the god being worshipped is not the God of Scripture, the Great, ‘I am’, manifest to us in 3 persons through what He provides.

2) From the Islamic perspective, a perspective which either rejects what God has provided, or seeks a counterfeit substitute for what God provides, the Koran is not simply a holy communication, but is considered to be physically Holy. From that perspective, burning a Koran is considered to be blasphemous, demanding judgment and punishment. Islam attempts to enforce holiness from without, instead of from within.

3) From the Christian perspective, our focus is to be on loving our fellow man in the performance of the Great Commission. Depending upon the audience and situation, the burning of the Koran might be appropriate or not.

Amongst believers, we are not to entice conflicts, but adhere to the spirit provided from God through faith in Christ. All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable. While burning a Koran might manifest conflict, tolerance of antiChristian thinking also is not without consequence. If the pastor is simply making a statement amongst believers, he is well within his rights to perform those actions.

Amongst non-believers, Col 4:5-6 provides guidance.

Col 4:5-6
(5) Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
(6) Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

For a believer in fellowship with God, through faith in Christ, we know the Koran is not a Holy or sanctified object. We also know that God does indeed provide sanctification, and we seek to share this fabulous process with those who do not have it, because we also at one time did not have it and only received it after returning to God on His terms.

We recognize that it is difficult to communicate this good news of what God provides to an audience whom we initially insult or behave to lessen their propensity to hear our message.

There are also audiences, who have already determined they will not receive the Gospel, such that tact might not be a successful mechanism to provide a witness.

The proper solution, as for any problem in life, is only through faith in what God provides. If such thinking fails to recognize what is provided in Christ on the Cross, then it insufficiently addresses what God has provided.


133 posted on 09/08/2010 12:24:35 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

I just meant that our goal with the Iraqi family is not to proselytize them, but to show Christianity through our actions. (Besides, since we are working with the State Department, we are specifically prohibited from proselytizing).

Explain to me how furnishing a home for them and helping them settle into a new country isn’t love; maybe you don’t understand that love can be shown by deed, not just through words. When you help someone, is it just because you have the hidden agenda of making them into Christians?


134 posted on 09/08/2010 4:49:28 AM PDT by fred4prez
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To: ansel12

“I think his speaking to the world as an active and commanding Army General is the major story of this event, it gives me the willies.”

I think his message was designed to placate Afghanistan. BO sure isn’t going to show any leadership.


135 posted on 09/08/2010 5:17:54 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tallguy
"I'm gine to pick a fight!"

As well he should if he wants freedom.


136 posted on 09/08/2010 5:26:39 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: fred4prez

Salvation is all the work of God. Our only involvement as a natural course in the manifestation of our love for our fellow man is to communicate the Gospel.

Proselytism is not a Christian function.

No human is able to convert an unbeliever into a believer, nor in the Church Age into a Christian.

This is simply because no human being can generate a human spirit in the anthropology of a fellow human being, but that rebirth of life is only available from God Himself.

There may be nothing wrong in being a good steward of our resources to provide logistically for those whom we love, but avoiding the communication of the Gospel, or performing such good works independent of faith through Christ are simply works which are good for nothingness in the final judgment.

There is only one avenue to eternal life with God and that is through what He has provided, namely faith in Christ. God provides all the rest.


137 posted on 09/08/2010 5:40:47 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: oldleft

My only issue with the book burning is it seemingly being a publicity stunt for this church, who’s pastor and christian congregation just look ignorant by sponsoring such an event.

I would have no problem with a non-religious group making a semi-political statement regarding the content of the Koran.


138 posted on 09/08/2010 6:45:50 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: oldleft
There are some ideas and messages that should not be available. Satanic worship, atomic weapons making, KKK, etc.

Get rid of the evil in our lives, and we are all the better for it.

139 posted on 09/08/2010 6:49:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: driftdiver

Petraeus and Barack Obama are one, united together against this church, but Obama as a civilian leader is in a position to comment while an Army General in the field has no business taking a position, against a small 50 member church back here in the states.


140 posted on 09/08/2010 7:21:35 AM PDT by ansel12
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