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Glenn Beck Accused Redcoats of Burning Churches ("VANITY")
N/A | 8/28/2010 | Me

Posted on 08/28/2010 7:51:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel

I didn't see any comments about Glenn Beck's 1st words on his Friday TV show.

He talked about the "Black Robe Regiment", and said that Brits largely blamed churches/preachers for fomenting the Revolution.

Then he said as a result, when the Redcoats came here upon the war starting, they burned churches because of this. Then he said they even "locked up people inside and burned them".


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; americanrevolution; beck; churchburning; glennbeck
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To: muawiyah

The Indians might lose in the end, but they were often a menace to civilians on the frontier and could at times defeat armed militia and troops. Contrary to being easy targets, the Indians’ stealth and skill made them formidable adversaries.


81 posted on 08/28/2010 11:22:52 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: TommyDale

Episcopal churches ARE Anglican churches. Neither title was used then, they were all called “Church of England.”


82 posted on 08/28/2010 12:05:56 PM PDT by Austin Scott
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To: Rockingham
They certainly maintained a warrior elite strike force as long as they could, but outside of the groups in Indiana Territory, they were vastly depleted in strength by the time of the American Revolution.

The Old World People found it quite easy to move in and take over Indian claimed lands anytime they wished.

83 posted on 08/28/2010 12:10:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: the OlLine Rebel

SOurces to an extent, but he, as with the prechers do use names and those names can be easily researched for accuracy.


84 posted on 08/28/2010 12:23:04 PM PDT by cranked
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To: muawiyah
"Ease" in taking over Indian territories was not a term that readily came to the minds of the participants in various bloody conflicts with Indians. They fought back, often effectively.

The inglorious Second Seminole War in Florida, for example, lasted seven years (1835 to 1842) and included the "Dade Massacre" in which Major Dade's and his command of a little over 100 men were almost entirely wiped out. During that conflict, Indians attacked white settlers as far north as Tallahassee.

85 posted on 08/28/2010 12:39:31 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
And then they got beaten back. You will notice that today Florida is in the hands of the Old World people, as is Wyoming, Montana, Minnesota, etc.

EASE is the term.

86 posted on 08/28/2010 3:35:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Austin Scott

I didn’t write it, tell that to the author here:

http://www.skyweb.net/~channy/danraid.html


87 posted on 08/28/2010 4:24:15 PM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Pharmboy

“ever burn churches with people inside, I know of no evidence”
Pip Pip, Huzzah, Well Said, and all that rot Eh?
Nudge, nudge , wink, wink.
That’s whats Fleet St is there for, say no more.
If evidence is presented we say those blighters snuck in the church and ignited themselves, Hey Ho!
And if evidence is provided that the blighters were already in the church when we torched it, We say,
Now Guv’nor Ow was we supposed to knaw it was a bleedin church.
Dint sees no dome on it , wasn’t no Wren affair .
least not after the flames got to it.
There you go, take this fiver and be off then.


88 posted on 08/28/2010 4:37:35 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: mnehring
"One Huck, a captain of British militia, fired [i.e. "set aflame"] the library and dwelling-house of the clergy man at William’s plantation in the upper part of South Carolina, and burned every Bible into which the Scotch Irsh translation of the psalms was bound."

Captain Christian Huck was a lawyer from Philadelphia who commanded a British Legion contingent during the Revolutionary War." He was involved in an incident in the Carolinas at Fishing Creek Church which sounds much like the event you quoted, with the addition of the murder of a young boy reading a Bible.

Huck was apparently an unpleasant fellow even by the standards of a backcountry battlefield, and his death in July 1780 at "Huck's Defeat" was considered not only "just desserts," but an important victory for the American patriots.

Mr. niteowl77

89 posted on 08/28/2010 5:18:03 PM PDT by niteowl77 (I don't mind them stewing in their own juices, but I do object to me stewing in their own juices.)
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To: muawiyah

No matter how the process ended, it did not seem easy to those who were part of and who suffered and often died during it. Of course, the way of the world is that when aboriginal and advanced peoples want the same thing, the aboriginals lose in the end. That there are millions of American Indians and many millions more of mixed descent indicates that in America, the collision was considerably less cruel than it might have been.


90 posted on 08/28/2010 5:24:33 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yep, I agree. I’ve heard Glenn say some really ridiculous things about the early Church...the Constantinian period etc.

I appreciate what he’s doing, but I don’t find him very reliable historically.


91 posted on 08/28/2010 6:44:40 PM PDT by Claud
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To: muawiyah; Rockingham

The Iroquois were very much relevant until the Revolution. By 1648 they hadn’t even yet gotten started really. The height of their military power was about 1650-1666.


92 posted on 08/28/2010 6:53:43 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
Anything after 1650 is a "relative power" thing. Remember what I said, the plagues were so bad the Mohicans could no longer mount an effective military force and were taken over by the Iriquois. In fact, the Oneida adopted them and they ceased to exist as a tribe.

From that point on the Oneida had a different sort of outlook on New York and New England politics, tended to side with Americans, AND, most importantly, developed an immigration policy that allowed skilled white folks to live on Oneida lands.

This was consistent with the Brotherton policy of assimilation ~ and the Brotherton's ended up moving in with the Mohicans on Oneida and Onandaga lands.

Whites and blacks continued to pour into the British American colonies and could not be effectively challenged after that time. That didn't mean some didn't try, but they lost!

93 posted on 08/28/2010 7:12:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elcid1970

Hi elcid - I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have tied 2 posts together which were quite unlike each other (as well as sort of replying to all those who were unsavory from your post). You were not being personally nasty or sarcastic. For you, I was really only referring to whether Tarleton burned any people inside a building - specifically here, live civilians in a church. Or actually, if anyone in the war did such a thing.


94 posted on 08/28/2010 7:24:26 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Quick answer ~ I hope you came back and read all the posts on this thread.

I suspect that your amateur interest in the Revolution keeps you focused on the Ol Line ~ mine is on 150 years earlier in what are now called Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania.

95 posted on 08/28/2010 7:29:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Quick answer ~ I hope you came back and read all the posts on this thread.

I suspect that your amateur interest in the Revolution keeps you focused on the Ol Line ~ mine is on 150 years earlier in what are now called Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania.

96 posted on 08/28/2010 7:29:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Shanty Shaker

Tarleton was such a bastard that here in the County where the Battle of Guilford Courthouse was fought there were no streets named for him until some ignorant out-of-town developer in the 90’s put in a subdivision with the main drag named Tarleton Drive.


97 posted on 08/28/2010 7:34:23 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: Rockingham

Sounds to me like you would do well to watch Founders Friday and lean a bit about history if you think he is using a movie to back up his statments, you might lean he is using original documents to back up his statements and much of what HE is teaching from those documents has been scrubbed from your school text books... but there is plenty of American Revolution truth out there if a person missed it in school that you don’t need a movie to teach it’’s version,


98 posted on 08/28/2010 7:40:03 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Claud

It’s just when you think you’ve gotten wrong info (or at least, IMPRESSIONS - which is what this is really about), you now feel you can’t rely on what else is said that you know nothing about. Yes, we have to do our own research, but hey, even on these threads, other posters’ statements should induce “research” because they raise questions. That’s exactly what Beck talks about, anyway.

A couple weeks ago Beck was centered on Coolidge. Very nice, but I noticed he kept making the mistake that Coolidge did things right after Wilson - which wasn’t true. Coolidge wasn’t the 1 who was elected on the heels of Wilson and basically pulled us out of the 1920 recession - that was Harding. Not to say that Coolidge wasn’t good. It may have been an honest mistake, but he kept doing it and only later finally got corrected (partially, since it still left some wrong impressions).


99 posted on 08/28/2010 7:55:15 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: muawiyah

I did - well, almost all. LOL - well, I do have an interest in the wonderful MD Line (and hence my name - it’s NOT the overplayed Civil War I refer to, ugh!), but really I have no more knowledge of them than the war in general.

Of course, I haven’t read much on it since...well, I guess since I married. My memory is foggy and so some things have started escaping me about the RevWar. But 1 thing I remember well is the aforementioned SIMCOE coming upon a ferry(?) house in NJ occupied by local rebel militia sleeping, with his loyalist militia, and while some of the opponents apparently knew each other as “neighbors” and acknowledged so, the Simcoe troops slaughtered the rebels there though they had them caught sleeping without a fight.

Thus was I cringing a bit when I saw that he had a statue in Niagara, CAN, (he was governor up there) when I briefly visited there - OMG, that’s the guy that slaughtered those militia!

So you have interest in the early colonies of DelMarPa? I think part of my ancestors were originally in DE before moving to MD - the Ogles.


100 posted on 08/28/2010 8:06:11 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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