Posted on 08/28/2010 7:51:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel
I didn't see any comments about Glenn Beck's 1st words on his Friday TV show.
He talked about the "Black Robe Regiment", and said that Brits largely blamed churches/preachers for fomenting the Revolution.
Then he said as a result, when the Redcoats came here upon the war starting, they burned churches because of this. Then he said they even "locked up people inside and burned them".
The Indians might lose in the end, but they were often a menace to civilians on the frontier and could at times defeat armed militia and troops. Contrary to being easy targets, the Indians’ stealth and skill made them formidable adversaries.
Episcopal churches ARE Anglican churches. Neither title was used then, they were all called “Church of England.”
The Old World People found it quite easy to move in and take over Indian claimed lands anytime they wished.
SOurces to an extent, but he, as with the prechers do use names and those names can be easily researched for accuracy.
The inglorious Second Seminole War in Florida, for example, lasted seven years (1835 to 1842) and included the "Dade Massacre" in which Major Dade's and his command of a little over 100 men were almost entirely wiped out. During that conflict, Indians attacked white settlers as far north as Tallahassee.
EASE is the term.
“ever burn churches with people inside, I know of no evidence”
Pip Pip, Huzzah, Well Said, and all that rot Eh?
Nudge, nudge , wink, wink.
That’s whats Fleet St is there for, say no more.
If evidence is presented we say those blighters snuck in the church and ignited themselves, Hey Ho!
And if evidence is provided that the blighters were already in the church when we torched it, We say,
Now Guv’nor Ow was we supposed to knaw it was a bleedin church.
Dint sees no dome on it , wasn’t no Wren affair .
least not after the flames got to it.
There you go, take this fiver and be off then.
Captain Christian Huck was a lawyer from Philadelphia who commanded a British Legion contingent during the Revolutionary War." He was involved in an incident in the Carolinas at Fishing Creek Church which sounds much like the event you quoted, with the addition of the murder of a young boy reading a Bible.
Huck was apparently an unpleasant fellow even by the standards of a backcountry battlefield, and his death in July 1780 at "Huck's Defeat" was considered not only "just desserts," but an important victory for the American patriots.
Mr. niteowl77
No matter how the process ended, it did not seem easy to those who were part of and who suffered and often died during it. Of course, the way of the world is that when aboriginal and advanced peoples want the same thing, the aboriginals lose in the end. That there are millions of American Indians and many millions more of mixed descent indicates that in America, the collision was considerably less cruel than it might have been.
Yep, I agree. I’ve heard Glenn say some really ridiculous things about the early Church...the Constantinian period etc.
I appreciate what he’s doing, but I don’t find him very reliable historically.
The Iroquois were very much relevant until the Revolution. By 1648 they hadn’t even yet gotten started really. The height of their military power was about 1650-1666.
From that point on the Oneida had a different sort of outlook on New York and New England politics, tended to side with Americans, AND, most importantly, developed an immigration policy that allowed skilled white folks to live on Oneida lands.
This was consistent with the Brotherton policy of assimilation ~ and the Brotherton's ended up moving in with the Mohicans on Oneida and Onandaga lands.
Whites and blacks continued to pour into the British American colonies and could not be effectively challenged after that time. That didn't mean some didn't try, but they lost!
Hi elcid - I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have tied 2 posts together which were quite unlike each other (as well as sort of replying to all those who were unsavory from your post). You were not being personally nasty or sarcastic. For you, I was really only referring to whether Tarleton burned any people inside a building - specifically here, live civilians in a church. Or actually, if anyone in the war did such a thing.
I suspect that your amateur interest in the Revolution keeps you focused on the Ol Line ~ mine is on 150 years earlier in what are now called Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania.
I suspect that your amateur interest in the Revolution keeps you focused on the Ol Line ~ mine is on 150 years earlier in what are now called Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania.
Tarleton was such a bastard that here in the County where the Battle of Guilford Courthouse was fought there were no streets named for him until some ignorant out-of-town developer in the 90’s put in a subdivision with the main drag named Tarleton Drive.
Sounds to me like you would do well to watch Founders Friday and lean a bit about history if you think he is using a movie to back up his statments, you might lean he is using original documents to back up his statements and much of what HE is teaching from those documents has been scrubbed from your school text books... but there is plenty of American Revolution truth out there if a person missed it in school that you don’t need a movie to teach it’’s version,
It’s just when you think you’ve gotten wrong info (or at least, IMPRESSIONS - which is what this is really about), you now feel you can’t rely on what else is said that you know nothing about. Yes, we have to do our own research, but hey, even on these threads, other posters’ statements should induce “research” because they raise questions. That’s exactly what Beck talks about, anyway.
A couple weeks ago Beck was centered on Coolidge. Very nice, but I noticed he kept making the mistake that Coolidge did things right after Wilson - which wasn’t true. Coolidge wasn’t the 1 who was elected on the heels of Wilson and basically pulled us out of the 1920 recession - that was Harding. Not to say that Coolidge wasn’t good. It may have been an honest mistake, but he kept doing it and only later finally got corrected (partially, since it still left some wrong impressions).
I did - well, almost all. LOL - well, I do have an interest in the wonderful MD Line (and hence my name - it’s NOT the overplayed Civil War I refer to, ugh!), but really I have no more knowledge of them than the war in general.
Of course, I haven’t read much on it since...well, I guess since I married. My memory is foggy and so some things have started escaping me about the RevWar. But 1 thing I remember well is the aforementioned SIMCOE coming upon a ferry(?) house in NJ occupied by local rebel militia sleeping, with his loyalist militia, and while some of the opponents apparently knew each other as “neighbors” and acknowledged so, the Simcoe troops slaughtered the rebels there though they had them caught sleeping without a fight.
Thus was I cringing a bit when I saw that he had a statue in Niagara, CAN, (he was governor up there) when I briefly visited there - OMG, that’s the guy that slaughtered those militia!
So you have interest in the early colonies of DelMarPa? I think part of my ancestors were originally in DE before moving to MD - the Ogles.
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