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What's the point of being a martial arts expert if you can't defend yourself?
1 posted on 07/24/2010 8:57:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Should have eaten more broccoli?


2 posted on 07/24/2010 8:59:38 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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Never take a foot to a knife fight.


3 posted on 07/24/2010 9:00:56 PM PDT by Krankor (Boy, giraffes are selfish, just run around looking out for number one, getting hit by lightning.)
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Never take a foot to a knife fight.


4 posted on 07/24/2010 9:01:06 PM PDT by Krankor (Boy, giraffes are selfish, just run around looking out for number one, getting hit by lightning.)
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Yet another good argument for keeping firearms in the home. Even if you’re extremely fit and well trained you can still lose. That is especially true when outnumbered.


7 posted on 07/24/2010 9:02:51 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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Johannes then tried to apprehend one of the youths before both turned their knives on him.

He was sparring in a tournament. They were playing for keeps. In situation where the other side is armed, you pretty much have to try to kill the opposition, not subdue them.

8 posted on 07/24/2010 9:06:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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Open and easy access to knives is the problem. We need good knife control laws. Knives should not be readily available.


10 posted on 07/24/2010 9:10:59 PM PDT by Moorings
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‘Phone the police, phone the police’.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. RKBA is the only way


16 posted on 07/24/2010 9:36:24 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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20 posts and no Chuck Norris jokes yet?

There has to been something amiss here?


21 posted on 07/24/2010 9:42:59 PM PDT by Pavegunner72
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Bringing a foot to knife fight is never as good as bringing a .45.


23 posted on 07/24/2010 10:03:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Liberals are right. The AZ situation is like Nazi Germany. Mexico is Germany and Arizona is Poland)
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Nothing beats Gun-Fu.


25 posted on 07/24/2010 10:16:33 PM PDT by B-Chan
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Wow. Two teenage punks with knives? Remind me not to bother with Pombo, or whatever the hell he was teaching.


26 posted on 07/24/2010 10:17:18 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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What's the point of being a martial arts expert if you can't defend yourself?

Knife fighting and defending against knife attacks are a whole art in themselves. Most karate, wrestling, jujitsu, etc. focus on unarmed combat, then the martial arts practitioners add to their training by studying weapons arts. It's possible this guy was a champion empty hand guy, but was weak against knife attacks. Or, it's possible that the punks just got lucky.
28 posted on 07/24/2010 10:20:03 PM PDT by fr_freak
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Before you deride MA, this guy could have been easily downed by these youths, even if the victim was carrying a gun. The perps were wearing black clothes and sneaked up behind the guy. I don’t care if you’re an expert marksman, you’re not going to drop anybody who’s wearing black and sneaks up behind you in the dark. It’s just simply too hard.


29 posted on 07/24/2010 10:23:23 PM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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From another account:

“”One struck the lady with a knife, causing a severe laceration to her wrist, but she managed to run downstairs. She was pursued by the suspects and she opened a door hoping that they would leave.”

But courageous Johannes chased after the yobs to protect Elizabeth.

Supt Niven added: “Following them down the stairs, the husband grabbed hold of one culprit, however, the other turned on him and stabbed him with a knife. The man he was holding also took part and he was struck several times resulting in serious injury. The culprits fled out the door.”

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3067215/Martial-arts-ace-Johannes-Alder-and-wife-Elizabeth-in-burglary-bloodbath-horror.html

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ3T4mTuv-M

He’s the guy in blue. Doesn’t look optimum for taking on multiple knife users...

FWIW, a determined knife user is a real challenge for a gun user. Unless you shoot to the head (and hit), you WILL be open to being stabbed. But in my house, it would read in part, “He opened fire with his 44, putting a large hole in the chest of the closest before the second stabbed him. His wife then opened fire with the 357...”

It is sad, but that is what happens when your government requires you to be defenseless.


30 posted on 07/24/2010 10:33:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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When sailing internationally, you often come to ports in countries where guns are outlawed. If you live in such a country, the same rules apply.

Get a large dog. Two are even better. Buy kevlar. Wear it or keep it next to your personal weapon to act as a handheld shield in case of emergency.

Get the closest weapon to a small firearm that such a country allows...often this is a flare gun (which can be illegally converted to a gun with a common conversion kit).

Pepper spray and stun guns also come to mind. Canes (better, cane with sword tip or sword hidden inside cane) if nothing else.

As a last resort, wear a “belt” made of steel cable with a heavy buckle that allows it to be rapidly removed from your waiste and slung at a bad guy.

There are also hidden weapons such as sap caps (baseball caps with a lead-heavy hitter hidden at the back for swinging at an adeversary). Flashlights that are also stun guns...pepper spray that looks like lipstick, a pen, or a cell phone, etc.

Install security film on your windows...prevents easy break-ins, too.

If you are wearing kevlar, walking with two attack dogs, and carrying any of the above, you will be kilometers ahead of what any petty thief is expecting to encounter in such countries that ban guns.


31 posted on 07/24/2010 10:35:11 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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What's the point of being a martial arts expert if you can't defend yourself?

If what the article says is true, that he practiced some kind of merging of "judo, ju-jitsu, karate" then he is some kind of dabbler.

A true martial artist fully believes in one style, with no need to borrow techniques from other styles.

He also keeps the fact that he studies a martial art, even from his neighbors.

35 posted on 07/24/2010 11:44:56 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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No martial art is foolproof, even in the hands of an expert. I’ve trained in Shorniji-Kan Jiu Jitsu for the past 5 years. Jiu Jitsu itself was invented by the Japanese Samurai and is designed to kill other human beings on the battlefield should you find yourself unarmed. This includes armed and multiple opponents. It was developed with particular emphasis for confronting opponents as a policeman during a riot.
However, even then it was intended as a last resort. Quite simply, the person with a weapon and the will to use it has the advantage in most cases. One of my former instructors was a policeman who in addition to being a second dan was also a riot and armed response officer. Very tough bloke with real experience in brawling as well as being highly trained. Nevertheless, he has been stabbed 3 times (on duty), strangled into unconsciousness once and had a wooden cosh broken over his head on at least two occasions during training.
Fortunately, the occasions when he was stabbed he managed to regain the upper hand thanks to his training and slap the cuffs on, but if he been stabbed in the wrong place, he would be dead. No one is invincible, and anyone who is truly paying attention when training in a bona-fide martial art will come to the conclusion that actually fighting someone, especially if they are tooled up, should be a last resort, when you cannot flee or when you have to stay in order to protect someone or something else. This man had a better chance at fending them off than the average person, but even that wasn’t enough against two thugs with knives and the will to use them... Thats why I keep a sword close by my bed. It also has the psychological effect on most people of deterring them from having a go at a householder carrying a large, glinting sharp thing that is bigger than their small, glinting sharp thing, regardless of how good they think he might be...


38 posted on 07/25/2010 2:01:10 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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Proves what I always suspected. Martial arts is not going to defend you against martial blade craft.

The lesson? Get a gun. The guy with the gun wins.


39 posted on 07/25/2010 2:04:19 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (California Bankruptcy in 4... 3... 2...)
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IIRC in Britain one can be arrested and charged for defending oneself.

The concept of “life threatening” is considered years later as 12 men decide your fate.

I believe that this applies to martial arts as well.

Yobs don't seem to care much, either way.

42 posted on 07/25/2010 4:20:03 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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Hmm, I’ll remember this the next time an gun hater says that it’s better to use martial arts in self-defence.


45 posted on 07/25/2010 5:30:29 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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