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Security Firm: Apple Has More Security Holes Than Microsoft
PC World ^ | 22 Jul 2010 | Preston Gralla

Posted on 07/22/2010 7:40:23 AM PDT by for-q-clinton

Here's another blow to those insist that Apple products are rock solid and unhackable: The security company Secunia reports that Apple products have more vulnerabilities than those of any other company. Oracle came in second place, with Microsoft in third.

Secunia just issued a report that covers vulnerabilities for the first half of 2010, and it's not good news for Apple. The report (which you can download here) shows that Apple last had the most vulnerabilities of all vendors in 2005, before Oracle took over the top spot. And now Apple is on top again. You can see the chart, below.

The chart shows that Apple products consistently have more vulnerabilities than do Microsoft ones.

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However, there will certainly be one surprise for those who believe that Microsoft products are particularly vulnerable --- Secunia reports that they're not. The primary vulnerabilities on PCs are not due to Microsoft programs, but rather third-party programs, it says:

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The report then concludes:

Users and businesses must change their perception that Microsoft products pose the largest threat in order to allocate security resources effectively. General awareness on the risk of 3rd party programs must be established.

(Excerpt) Read more at pcworld.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; ilovebillgates; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; mac; microsoftfanboys; osx; windows
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Comment #121 Removed by Moderator

To: esoxmagnum
We have had a Mac in the house for a few years now, but it sits idle, except when our girls want to surf the web and the other computers are in use. We don’t use it for business, because the standard is Excel and Word, and all our forms must be submitted in these formats.

I'm sure you just forgot that there is an office suite (MS) for the Mac. Yeah you have one at home collecting dust.
122 posted on 07/22/2010 3:08:01 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: for-q-clinton

Updated: Antivir Solution Pro Can Really Cause Trouble! http://www.pc1news.com/news/1516/updated-antivir-solution-pro.html

I got his nasty off a hip hop music site. First problem I’ve had for years. Malwarebytes got rid of it halfway but my computer was still blocked from the internet due to this malware. I then had to edit registry per instructions on internet.

Then was able to connect


123 posted on 07/22/2010 3:09:14 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: Swordmaker
And we've pointed out, time and time again, three years running, backed up by statements by the winning hacker, Charlie Miller, that it was not "quickest" or "easiest," but actually took weeks of preliminary work by a world class security expert and two other ex-NSA computer security experts and was merely rapidly executed at the Pawn2Own contest because it was ready. Miller came prepared... the other hackers were not prepared with their hacks of the other platforms. Your repetition of this, in light of your "easiest/quickest" assertion after having being repeatedly disproved by links to the facts, makes your posting of it again a lie, since you cannot claim ignorance of the facts.

And yet other teams still couldn't crack windows as fast or as easy. In fact, the last test windows only gave up read access with OS X giving read and write access.

Plus about all tests that compare windows 7 to OS X security Windows 7 wins. This doesn't mean OS X stinks or is garbage. It just means windows is more secure. And it should be they have had years of having the most users on thier OS and have more attempts to hack them then any other system.

OS X is doing very good considering it's niche market and small user base.

124 posted on 07/22/2010 3:09:31 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: SmokingJoe
I am not merely suggesting, I am telling ya that search engines can and HAVE been gamed to display results that are favorable to one side or the other in any fight.

THAT is the single most retarded comment on this thread!

So google which OWNS the search engine business and is DEADLY combat with Apple vs Android, has gamed their own search engine to show thousands of problem apps and viruses effecting Android and None effecting Apple?

You seriously expect anyone to buy that? ALEX JONES would call YOU a nutter!!

125 posted on 07/22/2010 3:09:50 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Gator113

Be careful, I forget which version does it, but the cases crack open and the screens fall out. Did you get the monthly insurance? I know... it’s like MOB insurance, but you’ll be sorry you didn’t when it breaks.


126 posted on 07/22/2010 3:11:25 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: antiRepublicrat

What the he!!. You act as if you are superior when you state what is a known flawed concept of hiding the SID. You used that as proof that obscurity is a valid security concept when any real IT person knows it’s a joke.

So I used bing to find a source to backup what I already knew. Sorry I don’t have all these websites/links memorized, but I did know you were wrong as you ever were with that comment and I just wanted to give you a little backing to shut your pie hole over the topic. And your response has validated that I was correct and you don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of security.


127 posted on 07/22/2010 3:12:08 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: antiRepublicrat
No, changing the SSID is recommended because it slows the attacker down

Actually it's not recommended and it breaks the RFC. Some computers will stop working on such networks because it doesn't follow the RFC so it stops talking on the network.

Clearly you just googled this to find out more info on it and you completely missed the point.

128 posted on 07/22/2010 3:14:37 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: PA Engineer

are you a fag or a troll, I repeat myself.


129 posted on 07/22/2010 3:15:00 PM PDT by max americana
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To: PA Engineer

Now that was funny. THanks for the laugh.


130 posted on 07/22/2010 3:15:32 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Are you being purposely obtuse or are you really this stupid?

Why did they bother expending resources to go after ISS and SQL Server/MSDE? Why expend resources for OS 9?

As I said before OS X is nearly as good as win 7, so you would have to dupe the users into doing something (like visiting your site). With the extra effort required to attack the hacker is better off on targetting the larger install base.

You posted a worm. It's easy...it exploits a hole in the application and it uses that to replicate itself.

I could post the same to you...were is Windows 7 worm? Since it doesn't exist and it has a larger user base we can surmise Windows 7 is stronger than OSX. Or at least just as good.

131 posted on 07/22/2010 3:18:50 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Are you being purposely obtuse or are you really this stupid?

Why did they bother expending resources to go after ISS and SQL Server/MSDE? Why expend resources for OS 9?

As I said before OS X is nearly as good as win 7, so you would have to dupe the users into doing something (like visiting your site). With the extra effort required to attack the hacker is better off on targetting the larger install base.

You posted a worm. It's easy...it exploits a hole in the application and it uses that to replicate itself.

I could post the same to you...where is Windows 7 worm? Since it doesn't exist and it has a larger user base we can surmise Windows 7 is stronger than OSX. Or at least just as good.

132 posted on 07/22/2010 3:19:11 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: RachelFaith

I bought the insurance.

I’m think of painting it white and affixing an Apple sticker on the back, so that I don’t get teased.


133 posted on 07/22/2010 3:19:33 PM PDT by Gator113 (God save the Republic.....)
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To: max americana
are you a fag or a troll, I repeat myself.

You are a newbie and gay. I smell zot.
135 posted on 07/22/2010 3:21:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Can you please stop with the gay comments. It was funny at first as it was unexpected. But now it’s obscene.


136 posted on 07/22/2010 3:25:58 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
So let me get this straight. Charlie Miller is so good he is able to attack a system and make it fall faster than any other system. Even though the system he is attacking is "inherently secure" (as stated by you) and the other is just dumb old windows.

No. Charlie Miller is not your everyday computer hacker. He is an Ex-NSA security expert who concentrates on Macs. He, and his two associates, also ex-NSA security experts, worked weeks on finding the vulnerability in the Mac applications he attacked. He did not concentrate any attention at all on Windows, although he did state that the vulnerability he found and exploited in Java would work just as well in Windows and Linux, working through any browser.

He prior prepared the exploit, which took two seconds to execute once he started his attack... He did not start from scratch as you deliberately imply in your comments. The prep time took weeks.

Oh and in 2010's contest he was able to get read and write access where as the windows system attack only got read access.

In the last Pwn2Own contest, the Windows system fell 20 minutes after the Mac, in a non-prepared, start from scratch attack... which meant the hack met the contest's requirements, which was to place a file on the desktop. That meant they got write access. I am not sure where you heard they only got read access.

Didn't Charlie also attack windows as well? Why didn't he get write access to windows as well?

No, he did not. He attacked only the Mac.

137 posted on 07/22/2010 3:32:02 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: for-q-clinton
Can you please stop with the gay comments. It was funny at first as it was unexpected. But now it’s obscene.

You can't have a worthwhile Mac thread without a few comments about how gays are a prime Apple demographic

138 posted on 07/22/2010 3:38:41 PM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: for-q-clinton
But it requires physical access to the machine or physical interaction. By Macbot standards that doesn’t count as a virus.

No. For-q, it requires an insecure ROUTER that allows access to the ROUTER to lock out the MAC address of the Macs... it does not gain access to the Macs. That is not a virus. It is merely the Denial of Service by locking them out... a deliberate nasty trick by someone taking advantage of poor security settings on the ROUTER. Not an inherent flaw in the Mac. YOU are the one who seems to have very loose definitions of a virus...

140 posted on 07/22/2010 3:40:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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