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Irish manuscript found is more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls
Irish Central ^ | March 20, 2010 | PATRICK COOPER

Posted on 07/01/2010 8:26:44 AM PDT by decimon

An eighth-century religious manuscript described as " more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls" has finally been put on display at the National Museum of Ireland.

The 1,200 year old religious manuscript was found in a bog with the Latin words of Psalm 83 open. It had lain undisturbed for 1,200 years.

The psalm closes with the words: “Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—that you alone are the Most High over all the earth."

The National Museum rated the work as of "staggering importance" and says the book of psalms or psalter is among the top ten most valuable ever found.

(Excerpt) Read more at irishcentral.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: bible; bookofpsalms; deadseascrolls; godsgravesglyphs; ireland; psalter
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21 posted on 07/01/2010 8:58:52 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: decimon
Dr. Patrick Wallace stated that the book was "more important for Ireland than the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls” had been for biblical scholars and has changed our views about how ancient Irish manuscripts were produced.

Typical Irish hyperbole.

22 posted on 07/01/2010 9:01:57 AM PDT by skeptoid
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To: nikos1121
The 83rd Psalm in Catholic numbering (82nd in Protestant numbering) ends in the Vulgate as the folowing:

et sciant quia nomen tuum est Dominus solus tu Excelsus super omnem terram

Or:

Et cognoscant quia nomen tibi Dominus: tu solus Altissimus in omni terra.

Jerome provided two separate translations of the Psalms - one as they appeared in the Greek bible and one as the appeared in the Hebrew.

There are subtle differences.

The text given in the article appears to conform to neither precisely - but we have no way of knowing if this is due to the English translation in the article or the actual Latin text of the manuscript.

23 posted on 07/01/2010 9:05:52 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Tax-chick

Historic Ireland Ping


24 posted on 07/01/2010 9:10:56 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Oberon
Hmmm... what about the Book of Kells? It’s got at least the gospels from the Vulgate, though I’m not sure what else it includes, and it dates from the 790s if I remember right.

It contains about 90% of the Gospel text and may date in part as early as 790, but likely after 800.

This newly discovered manuscript may be almost a hundred years older with much more of the text. From a scholar's perspective, the historical books of the Hebrew Bible and the Acts of the Apostles from the Greek Bible are particularly desirable, since ancient copies of these books are much harder to find than copies of the Torah or Gospels and they are much denser with textual variants.

25 posted on 07/01/2010 9:13:03 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: skeptoid

As you know, “Irish hyperbole” is an oxymoron.


26 posted on 07/01/2010 9:13:03 AM PDT by Oystir
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To: Incorrigible; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; ...

Ireland ping!


27 posted on 07/01/2010 9:20:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Your shipment of failure to take a nap has arrived. It's whiny.)
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To: decimon

Idiotic headline, idiotic article at least with regards to the comparison to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Which is sad, because of course it is an important medieval manuscript. But neither to Ireland nor to the rest of the world does this come within a thousand miles of the importance of the DSS.


28 posted on 07/01/2010 9:54:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: wideawake
It contains about 90% of the Gospel text and may date in part as early as 790, but likely after 800.

In my screenplay, the Columbans are still working on it in 802. =]

29 posted on 07/01/2010 11:15:13 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Notwithstanding
"Which New Testament books supposedly pre-date Christ?"

None, There were other books in the Dead sea scrolls.

30 posted on 07/01/2010 11:49:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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31 posted on 07/01/2010 3:38:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: wideawake

‘The reason why this article is describing this discover as “more important than the Dead Sea Scrolls” is that the oldest existing manuscript of the Latin Vulgate of Jerome is the Codex Amiatinus from Northumbria which dates to the 8th century.’

True. There’s a fair gap between this manuscript and the Greek Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus.


32 posted on 07/01/2010 3:49:29 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember when this was discovered a few years ago. The pages were fused, and they were going to try several archival methods to open the book.


33 posted on 07/01/2010 4:05:38 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Notwithstanding; DannyTN
Which New Testament books supposedly pre-date Christ?

Perhaps the reference is to the 'Gospel of Isaiah' (i.e., the Book of the Prophet Isaiah)...
Isaiah lived around 700 BC, but a lot of his prophecies provide some very good descriptions of the LORD Jesus Christ, and HIS work of Salvation. Thus the reference: 'Gospel of Isaiah'.
It is no wonder that the LORD frequently referenced Isaiah's (aka, Esaias') writings in HIS ministry (HE probably wanted us to read this book closely).
I believe the Dead Sea Scrolls included almost the entire book of Isaiah, and confirmed that it matched our current text.

But truth be known, I suppose the entire Old Testament pointed to Christ:

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, HE [Jesus] expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

John 5:39 [Jesus said] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

34 posted on 07/01/2010 4:06:35 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: decimon
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The senior conservator John Gillis stated that he was "transfixed with fear" when he had to restore the delicate document. He said it was “the first early medieval manuscript to come to light in 200 years anywhere in Europe”.

“We never before had to deal with a manuscript recovered from a bog,” and said its survival was “miraculous” because normally vellum “shouldn’t survive – it should gelatinize away.

“When he first saw the psalter, ‘it didn’t look like a book at all’ it contained 60 pages of vellum, a parchment made from animal skins, which had been inscribed with “the complete text in Latin of all 150 of the Bible’s Book of Psalms”. He said, “about 15 per cent has survived.”


35 posted on 07/01/2010 4:10:15 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: decimon

Read: “How the Irish Saved Civilization” by Thomas Cahill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Irish_Saved_Civilization

About St. Columba, patron saint of Derry, and an important historical figure in Ireland, and for this subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Columba

disclosure: a great, great, great uncle of mine was named “Adomnan” the ninth abott of Iona, and the chief source regarding the life of Columba.

Bottom line: Ireland remained literate and safe, whilst the dark ages destroyed much of previous civilization from Rome.


36 posted on 07/01/2010 4:20:32 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
"Bottom line: Ireland remained literate and safe, whilst the dark ages destroyed much of previous civilization from Rome."

I'm not so sure. There's a 200-300 year period (during the Dark Ages) when not one written word survives in Ireland from that period. Ref: Professor Mike Baillie (Exodus To Arthur)

37 posted on 07/01/2010 5:43:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: decimon

Probably took it into the bog to use as toilet paper and lost his ass.


38 posted on 07/01/2010 8:15:17 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: decimon

Wait another 650 years and perhaps the Vatican may come out with an opiniuon on it.


39 posted on 07/02/2010 7:17:06 AM PDT by curmudgeonII (Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit.)
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To: wideawake

“The Dead Sea Scrolls are a piece work of different editions of different books spread over a long time period and do not present a complete text.”

The Dead Sea Scrolls, like the Irish Psalm found, have suffered from time and conditions. Neither are a complete text. Yet all the books of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) with the exception of Esther are included in multiple copies of each chapter in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A stunning find that gives us a look at the Bible as it was in Yeshua HaMachiah’s (Jesus Christ’s) time and as we read it today. Not much difference.

Other documents were found there as well, such as Tefflin, marriage contracts (very important to the Jewish women at the time), and other items.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are over 2,000 years old and are in Hebrew. The Irish Psalm is 1,200 years old and is in Latin.


40 posted on 05/27/2014 6:09:13 PM PDT by Wiz-Nerd
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