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Age constraints on alleged "footprints" preserved in the Xalnene Tuff near Puebla, Mexico
Geology ^ | March 2009; v. 37; no. 3; p. 267-270 | Feinberg, Renne, Arroyo-Cabrales, Waters, Ochoa-Castillo, Perez-Campa

Posted on 05/20/2010 7:21:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Impressions in a basaltic tuff located around Valsequillo Reservoir near Puebla, Mexico, have been interpreted as human and animal footprints along an ancient lakeshore, and are cited as evidence of the presence of humans in North America at 40 ka B.P. In this paper, we present new data that challenge this interpretation. Paleomagnetic analyses of the Xalnene Tuff, and lavas from the volcano from which it erupted, yield fully reversed magnetic polarities, indicating that the tuff was deposited prior to the last geomagnetic reversal (the Brunhes-Matuyama ca. 790 ka). 40Ar/39Ar dating of Xalnene lapilli and lava from the source volcano yields indistinguishable ages of ~1.3 Ma, consistent with a period of reversed magnetic polarity (C1r.2r). Additional paleomagnetic measurements of individual millimeter-size lapilli indicate that the pyroclastic grains within the Xalnene Tuff have not been disturbed or rotated since their initial deposition, thereby ruling out the possibility that the tuff was reworked by wave action along the shores of an ancient lacustrine environment. This and other evidence indicate that the marks observed in the stone quarry site are not human ichnofossils.

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To: DallasMike

And each and every one of them in tektonic or volcanic zones. None of them real.

Sci-Fi!
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21 posted on 05/20/2010 9:12:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Because of the iron in the lava?


22 posted on 05/20/2010 9:13:03 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: katana

Let me guess, they can’t be human tracks because no human tracks are that old, right? ‘Discard data when it conflicts with dogma’, sounds like some climate research people...


23 posted on 05/20/2010 9:17:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Then why are they only found near volcanic action, and tektonic joints?

Hmmm, have we run into each other before? Are you a young-earth creationist perchance?

Think about it. The atoms in non-igneous rocks are set in place. Set in stone, as it were. Lava is different -- it's a liquid. When it cools the ferromagnetic and parasmagnetic minerals line up with the current magnetic field.

Scientists determine the age of the rock, then compare the direction of its magnetic field with the current direction of the magnetic field.


24 posted on 05/20/2010 9:18:30 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: guitarplayer1953

Because of the turning of fragments of crust.
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25 posted on 05/20/2010 9:19:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

fragmets of the crust turning? so the same turning happens on the bottom of the ocean too?


26 posted on 05/20/2010 9:21:29 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: editor-surveyor
And each and every one of them in tektonic or volcanic zones.

Which is exactly what we would expect.

I suggest you look up the word igneous before you continue.


27 posted on 05/20/2010 9:21:44 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

No significan number of so-called reversals are from melting.

Most are surface disruptions that are spun by the shearing at tektonic zones. The rest are the cold fractured ejecta, some as much as 100’ wide, that are thrown miles, and hit the ground rolling. There are lots of fresh examples of this from Mt St Helens.


28 posted on 05/20/2010 9:29:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Plenty of it in the mid-atlantic, and the alignments are a hodge-podge, not in any way uniform.


29 posted on 05/20/2010 9:31:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Plenty of well-formed bands, too.

So is you or is you not a young-earth creationist? I'm pretty sure I remember you when what's-his-name was spamming FR with phony "science" stories proving that the earth was 6,000 years old.

30 posted on 05/20/2010 9:45:19 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: editor-surveyor

so how does layer upon layer of lava get churned as you say in different directions all at the same time per layer in the same churned direction?


31 posted on 05/20/2010 9:48:49 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Don’t know about this data at this point.

However, Mungo Man has been dated at 68,000 to 40,000 B.P.

So its not unlikely that modern man made it to the Americas by this time frame anyway.


32 posted on 05/21/2010 6:41:47 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: guitarplayer1953

“so how does layer upon layer of lava get churned as you say...”

Where did I say that? - I didn’t!

Lava is insignificant to the subject, since iron heated to near melting point loses most or all of its magnetism, leaving it to regain a new field over time.
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33 posted on 05/21/2010 8:36:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: DallasMike

“Plenty of well-formed bands, too.”

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non-science for the ‘scientifically’ minded?
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34 posted on 05/21/2010 8:40:40 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

“iron heated to near melting point loses most or all of its magnetism, leaving it to regain a new field over time”

That’s the key right there.


35 posted on 05/21/2010 8:42:25 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: editor-surveyor
These people that don’t understand that there have been zero magnetic reversals!

Deep cores have failed to lend even a shred of support to such absurd theories

Wait what? That's the first time I have ever heard that. I tend to believe too, based on your screen name.
36 posted on 05/21/2010 11:41:01 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: SunkenCiv
All right, Mister, wipe your feet. You're getting that ash all over the spacecraft.


37 posted on 05/21/2010 2:08:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: ZULU

I agree. Some of the tribemembers in the US say that, not only have they always been here, but that everyone came from the Americas. :’)


38 posted on 05/21/2010 4:51:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: editor-surveyor

Magnetic field shifts and “reversals” (that would be reversal in comparison to the modern magnetic field of the Earth) have indeed been documented in old lava flows and sediments, both on dry land and under the oceans, since the studies begun during the International Geophysical Year in the 1950s. The magnetic pole of the Earth has in fact shifted by hundreds of miles just since my own birth.


39 posted on 05/21/2010 5:01:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: katana

I’d find this research more compelling if it weren’t the same numbers Renne shot out back at the time, and of course, if there were some unequivocal identification of the tracks themselves, because they look perfectly human/hominid. Renne’s objection four years ago included the observation that the strata were all mixed up, so that dating these wasn’t reliable — then spat out the 1.3 million year max age, a figure he and his coauthors repeat here. Apparently only he and his coauthors have the absolute authority to dictate which of the dates is correct. :’)


40 posted on 05/21/2010 5:11:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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