Posted on 05/01/2010 7:28:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
LOL — I can totally picture that! And, your description of how women react when seeing someone who is loved and missed is spot on (being a female I can attest to these feelings myself - don’t forget the screaming, laughing, and crying - all at the same time - as well!).
I never gave much thought to this specific part of scripture before. Definitely a fascinating subject in light of some of this scientific research into the shroud.
[Given that Hawking has basically come out and announced his belief in God (via his supposition that aliens may be demons) I wonder if these two things have anything to do with one another. I would no doubt guess that Hawking is aware of this work as it applies to Quantum Physics studies.]
Thanks for your original post and reply. This is a fascinating subject to me.
By the way, as the survivor of childhood abuse I find your use of the horror of incest as some kind of a comeback as particularly despicable, frankly. Why in the world would you even THINK of that issue in comparison to Idol Worship? That’s the question I’d be asking myself if I were you, frankly...
Just exactly what information? and for what purpose?
That would not be the face of Jesus today....you’ll find His discription in the first chapter of revelations as he is now.
Regardless, the nature of the Shroud can be determined empirically with a degree of probability. That degree is determined by each individual's knowledge of the empirical evidence regarding the Shroud.
Interestingly enough, it is possible to regard the Shroud's origin as miraculous, based on a scientific study of the Shroud, without accepting the Shroud as the burial cloth of Christ. That final step requires a (small) leap of faith. In fact, a Jew, Barre Schwortz (sp?), who runs the Shroud of Turin web site, takes just such a position.
Others prefer to look at those of the household of faith...and though these people we read of in the biblical writings had no proof whatsoever..believed non-the-less. Heroes of faith says it well, and they can teach us all what a walk of faith is about.
It seems like you are opposed, in principle, to Jesus providing us empirical evidence of His existence/Resurrection.
Why would anybody want to reproduce such a poor and degraded image?
fair ‘nuf :)
Because I’ve not seen, even among the FReepers silly enough to not vote against Barack Obama, any FReeper ever stupid enough to be an idolator. So the issues are equally relevant. They are both the very wrong thing to do, and are not germane to the discussion at hand. Any one stupid enough to worship the shroud itself isn’t here.
no, they did not go home to tell them they found ‘IT’....they went to tell them what Jesus said to tell them...”tell them I am returning to my father, and your father,to my God, and your God”. Mary didn't need a sign ...she talked directly with Him....."I have seen the Lord." Further no one payed any attention to the linen pieces except for knowing that they were laying there....again the focus was on the fact He had indeed risen....they didn't even take them with them...why would they need to....they saw something far more amazing...Christ and the two gleaming witnesses...who put no significance in the burial cloths either.......and neither should we.
Your avoiding the question.....what information do they expect to retrieve from this study? Are they seeking to prove Christ died and use this as evidence? At this point all they are doing is dating a piece of fabric and determining it’s substance. So what are they anticipating in their end result?
........”It seems like you are opposed, in principle, to Jesus providing us empirical evidence of His existence/Resurrection.”...........
The evidence has already been shown.....He wasn’t there....He showed Himself to Mary, his followers, and hundreds of others before He left...and they saw Him leave.
It goes back to what I said before....some will not believe the written record nor care to look. But they will believe because a piece of cloth that might have been used to bury Him in?????? Do you see my point?
I have no problem with the discovery of ancient relics which give us insight into prior cultures etc. What I do have issue with is when these are used to distract or pull away those from seeking Christ...to something else...you already have the Alien issue being brought up. And we are going to see more and more of the “supernatural” elements being hinged into Christianity...and that not of the good kind.
I blame it on my old timers disease..be kind I am old...:O)
Actually He took the time to carefully pack them up again, even rolling up the one around His head. You make your bed because you intend to be back in your bedroom later in the day - I doubt Jesus planned to use the burial clothes again. Yet He chose not to make them look discarded.
ROFL:OL!
and my church has a stained glass window so depicting him - with White Hair - and so he is in Kahlil Gibran's "The Prophet" -
But here, we are talking about the man in the Shroud - as He was then...
and Peace be unto you...
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