Posted on 04/21/2010 8:28:03 PM PDT by MrChips
I hope you’re passing on what you find to those who can use it in possible cases.
No problem, dude. I got great grades in school but made some naive mistakes. Not sure why I need to sound like a redneck for that to be true. (Does it help if I tell you both of my foreign baby daddy’s were educated and intelligent, too?) Arguing that I want my son to be considered a NBC is not insane. in fact, I realized that the last person who seemed angry that I was going to the trouble of arguing on my child’s behalf (and logic, to me and many others) then intimated that it was such a big deal to be NBC that her child moved, pregnant, from overseas for three months to make sure her grandhchild was born in the US. How’s that for do as I say, not as I do?
Not sure why it counts as liberal to think logic needs to be applied to the NBC stuff? I can loathe purple lips without thinking this is the best way to fight his legitimacy.
I also understand that a lot of Freepers can’t think of good arguments against the rational points and just throw around accusations of troll and people working secretly for the DOJ (and if you think that was bizarre that I mentioned it, why not look and see how many times birther freepers have called people who disagree with them traitors by working subversively for the other team? It happens daily, and is a crock!)
In fact, you might notice that little jeremiah began that meme by posting that I didn’t have much posting history, implying, as they do about others like me, that I am some paid person working for Obama. Puh-leeze, if that isn’t the most absurd argument I have ever heard from a small brain.
...I didn’t have much posting history, implying, as they do about others like me, that I am some paid person working for Obama.
You don't have much of a posting history despite the length of time you've been here and you don't have to be paid to be a troll.
Someone could be a troll in a sincere belief that disrupting a board is a good and proper thing "for the cause". What are a few hours and a used up or useless screen name. They'll just get another later if necessary.
Nonetheless, most of your replies to date are apolitical and solely social in nature with a heavy slant towards the "sympathetic" left.
To me you read like a carefully scripted story. I've eaten crow publicly before and will do so again if necessary. As you post more your innate beliefs will out themselves and you'll be further judged.
Don't fool yourself. Each of us is being judged, even at an unconscious level, unrecognized by most, with every reply we make. Do you look more carefully at the guy standing in the alley opening with the hoody pulled up or notice his fidgety hands in his pockets while he's checking out every female that passes? I would hope you do, for your own safety. And yet you barely notice the guy you pass on the street every day on the way to and from work in his business suit as you know his habits as surely as your own.
Puh-leeze, if that isn’t the most absurd argument I have ever heard from a small brain.
Would it be different if it came from a big brain or would it still be just as absurd?
BTW, as I've noted before, the last sentence is the ones people tend to remember the most. You've reinforced what you most wanted others to remember at the end of your reply.
Tactics is everything.
Goodness. This is some heavy stuff. What cause would I be helping by affirming my belief that my son in a NBC becuase he was born in the US to an American mother amd doesn’t hold dual citizenship in another country, nor is he eligible to do so? Does that really help Obama? Is helping Obama really the only reason a mother might be concerned for her child’s status as a citizen?
I really don’t think belief in birtherism equals a good conservative, but I guess you disagree.
Sorry I don’t fit the mold of what a conservative is supposed to be like. Should I begin voting against my intrests becuase I might fit in with a lefty clique more than a right one?
Socially, I am not particularly conservative, and I am okay with that. To many on FR, anything left of a completely Christian and conservative worldview looks to be socialistic. That is too simplistic to me. I try not to argue with people, however, and figure most of us have our views for different reasons.
However, faith and belief in our military is considered a right belief, more than a left one, so that goes in my conservative column. Also, I spent a lot of time in ex-Bloc countries when I lived in Sweden (my ex was a Pole by birth, but moved to Sweden with his mom in the late seventies, but we would go and visit the rest of his family in Poland for extended visits) and I see what hell communism does to a country. I also got to experience sh**ful health care in Sweden. It was a nightmare.
So, I guess not wanting young women to be raped by their family members is a lefty thing (re: FLDS stuff that I posted about quite a bit)? And wanting my son to be considered as American as his classmates is because I am a lefty? I have participated on a few Harry Potter boards. I can see how that might be a little leftist. lol ;)
Thanks for the concern for my safety. I am a highly paranoid person when I go out in the evenings, and rarely do so. I am good at looking around at everyone around me, and had a great art history professor (of all things) who was an ex-marine who gave a bunch of his students lessons on how to defend yourselves with a key ring, and how to puncture an assailants neck. Haven’t had to use it yet, thank goodness.
After my vetting, do I get disqualified and lose my freeper account if you decide I am a troll, or does it go before a board of troll-outers? Do I get held under the water to see if I can breath, or will it be a trial by fire?
What cause would I be helping by affirming my belief that my son in a NBC becuase he was born in the US to an American mother amd doesn’t hold dual citizenship in another country, nor is he eligible to do so?
You don't have to be furthering any particular cause. Your sole intent could be simply to cast doubt on the whole NBC issue. You deny the preponderance of evidence given you that shows your son is not a NBC and cast aspersions on those who don't agree with you in an attempt to nullify what they say.
Does that really help Obama?
If doubt is cast on the issue then I would say, yes, with every reply you make.
Is helping Obama really the only reason a mother might be concerned for her child’s status as a citizen?
Of course not. Being obtuse doesn't become you.
I really don’t think belief in birtherism equals a good conservative, but I guess you disagree.
You don't have to guess, I'll tell you. Questioning the qualifications of any person running or sitting as POTUS equals good constitutionalists, not good conservatives. There are plenty of good conservatives who have waved goodbye to the whole issue before it's even been determined.
(note the wording you use. you continue to use a pejorative which dictates your mind set. you came into the issue with a predisposition and predetermination)
Should I begin voting against my intrests becuase I might fit in with a lefty clique more than a right one?
I would never deign to tell someone how to vote. That choice is yours and yours alone. Do as you, but I suggest you keep in mind that your vote might weigh against your children's future interests.
So, I guess not wanting young women to be raped by their family members is a lefty thing (re: FLDS stuff that I posted about quite a bit)?
No, it's a human being thing.
And wanting my son to be considered as American as his classmates is because I am a lefty?
As I said, what you want isn't always what you get. Take responsibility for your own actions and accept the consequences of those actions! I'll not coddle you so don't expect it.
After my vetting, do I get disqualified and lose my freeper account if you decide I am a troll, or does it go before a board of troll-outers?
I'm not vetting you, you're vetting yourself with each and every reply you make. I make no decisions whatsoever concerning FR's posters. I'm simply a member here. Your own actions and answers will indict you if there is any indictment to be made.
Do I get held under the water to see if I can breath, or will it be a trial by fire?
You have the right to remain silent...>shrugs
I will - but the cite I found is from 1728, in an Encyclopedia. Need to do more research and find the law that defined an alien's child born in England as a Denizen ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2375686/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623851/posts
Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Again, Gov. Jindal is Not a NBC-his parents were NOT US citizens at the time of his birth.
In regard to your hypothetical question concerning John Quincy Adams being born in a US Embassy in France-The US State Department guidelines on immigration 7 FAM 1116.1-4 states, “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S.diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.” This also applies to those that still insist that John McCain is a NBC.
You then ask, “Which Supreme Court rulings have stated that the term NBC for presidential eligibility was reserved EXCLUSIVELY for a person born of 2 citizen parents on US soil?” We don’t need a Supreme Court ruling-The US Constitution has already states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen... shall be eligible to the Office of President”.
Again, there are a number of Supreme Court rulings that state that “Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Everytime you find the phrase “Natural born citizen” mentioned in a Supreme Court ruling, you will find the above definition or a resonable paraphrase of it. You will never find that it was defined as anything but one born in our nation to citizen parents (plural-meaning BOTH parents must be US citizens).
John McCain is NOT a NBC-he was born in the city of Colon, Panama, outside of the Canal Zone, and he became a US citizen through the use of an immigration law (8 U.S.C. 1403) that was passed when he was 11 months old-a NBC would not have to appeal to an immigration law-immigration laws are for people born outside of our nation.
Barry Goldwater was born within the territory of the United States.
Yes I am aware that the 1790 statute passed by Congress stated that children born out of the country to citizen parents are considered NBC’s, and I am also aware that that law was repealed and replaced within 5 years by The Naturalization Act of 1795, which stated that the children born out of the country to citizen parents are considered citizens. The only place in the world that the child of US citizens be born, and legally be considered as a NBC is within the territory of the United States.
“This argument annoys me because, yes, I see the S. However, the real quote has the word ‘children’, also plural. Technically, if I was a lawyer, I would argue that when we are talking about one child, and make that singular, we could go through the whole sentence and make it singular. “Child of a citizen parent.” Will we ever agree on that, nope.”
You arguement is rather foolish when you look at the original quote, and find that the word “children” was never used in the first place, and secondly, a child can not be the offspring of only one parent-Unless you are one of those that chooses to believe that Barry Soetoro is really the Messiah.
“Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
All indications are that the Obama COLB posted at fightthesmears.com and factcheck.org is a fake.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts?page=451
and also at Post & Email – – -
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/21/obamas-forged-certification-of-live-birth-the-evidence/
The logical questions should be -
WHY HASN’T THE HAWAII DOH CONFIRMED THAT THE OBAMA COLB POSTED ON THE INTERNET WAS ISSUED BY THEIR DEPARTMENT AND IS AUTHENTIC?
and
WHY WOULD OBAMA POST A FAKE COLB ON THE INTERNET IF HE HAS A REAL ONE?
Then you and I are in agreement as to the definition of a natural born citizen.
However you did state that MANY Supreme Court cases use the term NBC to mean “those born in the country, of parents who are citizens,” and stated that is the legal definition.
I ask you again, which cases, and what is your source for the legal definition? I would very much like to read these for myself.
If you can not name them, I am going to wonder whether you were simply exaggerating to make your assertions sound more authoritative.
Oaky, that’s a stretch. Because I can make a plural into a singular, I must think Obama is a god?
And I’m the fool? really?
I’ll tell you, this whole argument has a frightening cult-like thing about it, and I am wholeheartedly out of it. Vehemently believe whatever you want. Chances are, the USSC won’t ever decide, and there is even less of a chance that they will decide the way you want them to.
Rabidly enjoy your arguments and leave me alone. I mistakenly thought Freepers were here to engage in argument, not slam anyone with nasty slander and threats when they disagree.
Excellent points. To live the life of a liberal one had to be either ignorant or an active liar — to oneself and to others. Incompetence or corruption — which it is for each liberal, I don’t know; but, neither one is acceptable.
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