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To: wolfcreek

So Pitts and this White Supremacist idiot are both racist dolts who don’t understand the political underpinnings that led to secession and the Civil War. Yes, slavery was AN issue, but ultimately it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.


3 posted on 04/15/2010 1:20:18 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Gun Control - the ability to consistently hit the intended target)
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To: VRWCmember
Ask Stu if states don't have rights, then why does the Federal government have to threaten to withhold highway funds to get a “nationalized” drinking age, BAC level, speed limit, etc.? Why does each state have it's own election laws, marriage laws, etc?
10 posted on 04/15/2010 1:25:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: VRWCmember

“... it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.”

I am always amused by this argument.

This position attempts to sanitize and cloak this fact: that southern states maintained owning another human being was not a violation of the rights set forth in the U.S. Constitution.


16 posted on 04/15/2010 1:34:13 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: VRWCmember

A poster on the original site summed it up perfectly:

“The Civil War was about secession; secession was about slavery.”

As for the idiot referring to the CSA as a
“white, racist government;” So was the USA in 1861!!


19 posted on 04/15/2010 1:40:26 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY (It's the spending, Stupid!)
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To: VRWCmember
Yes, slavery was AN issue, but ultimately it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.

Alexander Stephens, veep of the Confederacy, was there. In a position of authority in the Confederacy, so he would likely have a better perspective than those of us interpreting history 150 years on.

The best history courses have you read what the real players, the movers and the shakers, were reading/saying.

In what is known as the Cornerstone speech, Mr Stephens noted (emphasis mine): "The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."

Later in the speech, he notes the following: "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."

Seems the players at the time thought that the institution of slavery was a bit more than just AN issue, rather it appears that it was the 'immediate cause', to quote Stephens.

20 posted on 04/15/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by dmz
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To: VRWCmember
Yes, slavery was AN issue, but ultimately it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.

What federal encroachment are we talking about?

26 posted on 04/15/2010 1:45:06 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: VRWCmember

The civil war was started because of states rights. Slavery was an after thought on the part of Lincoln. Somebody needs to read the correct history books and not the politically correct ones!!!


58 posted on 04/15/2010 2:34:10 PM PDT by Roklok
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To: VRWCmember

VERY well said.


59 posted on 04/15/2010 2:34:11 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: VRWCmember

If they had asserted their authority in an atmosphere when slavery had never been an issue, say for some very real economic shenanigans I read were being forced upon the south by the north, then I think the war would have taken a differet direction. The churches of the north got their moral dander up over slavery and the south would have never won that arguement. If the arguement had simply been about economics and deprivation of the south’s rights to conduct say cotton trade with the factory mills of Europe, the moral conscience of the Christians would never have gotten involved and the outcome would have been different. There might not have even been a national split but a final working out of a solution.

Longstreet was said to have stated” We should have freed the slaves first and then fired on Sumpter” He had grasped that the north would have had no moral imperative to continue the fight and that the powers of Europe would have been more disposed to render aid to the southern cause if slavery had not been the issue!


106 posted on 04/16/2010 5:36:34 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: VRWCmember
Yes, slavery was AN issue, but ultimately it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.

You left out the last part of that sentence:

"...against increasing federal encroachment with respect to the humans whom they held as property."

115 posted on 04/16/2010 9:38:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: VRWCmember
Yes, slavery was AN issue, but ultimately it was an issue of the southern states attempting to exert their sovereignty as states against increasing federal encroachment.

Exactly what Federal encroachments were there in 1860?

160 posted on 04/19/2010 7:15:22 AM PDT by Ditto
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