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Vanity: Any Advice on Opening a Small Pub? (Tips or Warnings??)
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Posted on 03/02/2010 4:33:18 PM PST by Yaelle

In this economy, even Rush Limbaugh said to turn your luck around by creating your own destiny, doing what you'd love to do. What if you would love to buy a pub, and such an opportunity is before you?

Have any of you done this? What were some of the pitfalls? What are the big decisions that factor into whether or not to take the plunge?

The opportunity that presents itself in this instance is of small capacity, maybe 50 persons, light and airy, with a kitchen for pub food as well. Location could be listed as "Could NOT be any better." Water view, tourist and local favorite area, plenty of foot traffic.

The long work day, or no free evenings, weekends, and holidays, does not frighten us.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: beer; business; pub; smoking
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To: Califelephant; Yaelle
Thanks. Yes, I love microbrews and when I lived in Maryland, DuClaw would have quarterly releases and they'd give away a t-shirt and/or a pub glass with the beer's name on it. It was always a fun and festive atmosphere and I would fly from work to get there by 6 and the bar was jammed every time.

And certainly everything you said about marketing the restaurant through the beer releases, keeping in touch with customers, etc.

101 posted on 03/02/2010 6:04:30 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: Yaelle

I own a small business and one of the most important lessons that I’ve learned is that you can never control your revenue, but you can always control your costs. Know your margins, keep metrics on them and do your best to maintain them.


102 posted on 03/02/2010 6:21:39 PM PST by Dogfaced Soldier (Strength and Honor)
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To: Yaelle
Good evening.

All I can offer is this: if you are good, very good in the restaurant business, figure a gross margin of 50%. Then again, if you are good, very good, figure 30-35% operating expenses.

That leaves 20% if you are an optimist in pro forma financial calculations. Figure in the taxes, and you are lucky to clear 5%. If your annual revenue from operations is $10 million, you can be rewarded for your efforts (somewhat).

I hope this helps.

5.56mm

103 posted on 03/02/2010 6:55:41 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Yaelle

Don’t drink your inventory!


104 posted on 03/02/2010 6:56:56 PM PST by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Appreciate all the great feedback/warnings/encouragement! A lot of things to think about. Just doing homework right now, and the more time we take, the more informed our decision will be. Would be nice to be in a position to call our own shots, even with the nasty gov’t interference and roadblocks that we would undoubtedly encounter. Running a pub will require long hours, patience and diligence. Definitely wondering what the community will be like five years from now. It’s fun to be optimistic, but it’s more pragmatic to be cautious. Here’s to a lot of both. Thanks for all the schooling.


105 posted on 03/02/2010 7:13:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Check this organization out: SCORE - Service Corps of Retired Executives Association, a non-profit organization and SBA partner, offers free mentoring, business counseling and low-cost workshops.

You can get online assistance but, more importantly you can hook up with a mentor to meet with. Use the zip code search function on their home page to find the nearest office.

106 posted on 03/02/2010 7:17:08 PM PST by concentric circles (Will work for beer)
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To: Yaelle
Also, investigate Edwards Deming and his lean manufacturing principles, which are focused on the "process" and cutting waste out of it. As an example the fewer steps you have to take to accomplish a task, the more efficient you will be and the more output you'll have. Get your employees' input on bringing efficiency to their work. They know better than the owners how to improve a task and implement their suggestions when it makes sense. If it's not possible, explain to them why.

The company I work for has a thriving suggestion program that gives money and prizes each month to employees with the best money-saving ideas. The ideas are evaluated and assessed on their cost-savings (the company measures everything, based on Deming's principles) and we can quantify the savings over a year's time. The employees use the suggestion program and we get decent bonuses each year, based on the millions of dollars that we save by cutting waste out of our manufacturing process. I don't know anything about restaurants but most everyone has mentioned the razor-thin margin you'll be up against in trying to make a profit.

107 posted on 03/02/2010 7:34:32 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: rabidralph

They are still open, and considering the economy up here, combined with the fact we are in Michigan....thats a victory


108 posted on 03/02/2010 7:54:36 PM PST by Enigo54 (Never back down, never surrender)
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To: Thunder90

Definitely some breakfast stuff. I agree. Good coffee too.


109 posted on 03/02/2010 9:49:07 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Drango

I’ve always thought the stats were more like that. Obviously not 90% fail the first year. And pubs — with the emphasis on beer and wine — probably have an easier time than actual restaurants.

Thanks for that link.


110 posted on 03/02/2010 9:56:43 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If you absolutely LOVE working in the food services industry, maybe.

I will continue to be the homeschooling mom, but personally, I actually DID love working in hotel kitchens for very little pay once, many moons ago! I was very lucky enough to have prepared food for President Reagan in my day.

111 posted on 03/02/2010 10:03:47 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Grunthor
I would have a covered, outdoor “smoke garten.”

Not even sure that is allowed -- but there is no space for that. We would have to call that one "the beach."

112 posted on 03/02/2010 10:04:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL!


113 posted on 03/02/2010 10:05:13 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: BlueDragon
Find out to the penny what it will cost you to pay someone say, $9 an hour. It will blow your mind...

This is important. I am dying to know. Part timers still get unemployment, social security, taxes...

114 posted on 03/02/2010 10:07:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: BlueDragon

You ask great questions. How to use the location to the fullest and make up for the people who say “I liked it better before.”


115 posted on 03/02/2010 10:11:45 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: J Edgar

Brilliant answer. Thanks. A lot to plan.


116 posted on 03/02/2010 10:12:29 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
We have owned a small Cafe for almost 20 years, why is this guy selling????
117 posted on 03/02/2010 10:16:15 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Tamatoa

looking at entrepreneur.com now - thanks


118 posted on 03/02/2010 10:38:18 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

OPINION:

I researched your subject this afternoon Yaelle, but then I got busy and accidently cleared out the history so I’ll sum up here what I read.

1. You are responsible for drunks if they leave the bar drunk (in many states).
So if they hurt themselves or get in a car accident you may be sued.

2. Some of the old-established pubs are having financial woes due to micro-breweries as competitors.

AN IDEA for point no. 2: One of the pubs was able to increase their clientelle by promoting various micro-brewed local product at the pub. The pub also established its own micro-brewery.


119 posted on 03/03/2010 12:09:51 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Yaelle

Determine your “u.s.p.” Yaelle. Your unique selling principle, then don’t deviate from your marketing strategy.

Match your mediums of advertising with your age/sex customer profile.

Do as much “guerilla” marketing as you can. In house promotions, community events, stage a music festival, a motorcycle night, etc.

Get yourself a website, you can take reservations for special events e.g. Valentine’s, et al.

To the extent I can and you want, I would love to help.


120 posted on 03/03/2010 12:27:48 AM PST by Hilltop (Control the high ground. Control the battlefield.)
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