The clouds could part, a beam of light could shine, choirs of angels could sing, and the mighty hand of God could descend from Heaven with a copy of Obama's long form in His hand and almost all the Birthers around here would say, "Yeah, but that doesn't really prove anything."
Amen! Preach it , brother.
So none of the steam would be taken out? I think it would diffuse the movement. We FReepers, on the other hand, have this terrorist-loving, Ayers-loving, Rezco-hugging, Alinski-preaching radical’s number. So of course this forum will never trust a guy who should ever be trusted.
I don’t like the stigma of “Birther” because I agree with them! But If he could either prove his birth or being a CIA operative , thus dispelling the wonder of why he is the way he is, then I will continue to be haunted by not knowing.
More important to me than a BC is disproving his loyalities to Islaam, THAT he cannot do
The real Birtherism for Dummies:
Birther: “Why won’t Barack Obama simply release his birth certificate? If only he did that one little thing, we could put this whole matter to rest. And it would only cost him ten dollars.”
Loren: “He already released his birth certificate. He did it three days after people started asking for it.”
Birther: “Anyone could have Photoshopped that. An anonymous guy on the internet who said he’s an expert in document analysis claimed it was a fake.”
Loren: “You do know that he faked his research and turned out to be lying about his credentials?”
Birther: “But there was a second anonymous guy on the internet who claimed to be an expert, and he also said it was a fake.”
Loren: “He also faked research and turned out to be lying about his credentials.”
Birther: “Regardless, it’s still fake. If Obama truly had nothing to hide, he’d release the physical copy, and not just post a jpeg on the internet. Jpegs aren’t admissible evidence in court.”
Loren: “Since when are we in court? And how should he release it, then? He’s not going to mail you a copy, so all you’ll ever see is someone else’s photograph or scan of it.”
Birther: “He should let the press examine it.”
Loren: “He did let the press examine it. Two FactCheck reporters visited the campaign office, handled the physical document, took photographs of it from multiple angles, and put those photographs online.”
Birther: “Those photos are just jpegs, and jpegs aren’t admissible in court.”
Loren: “Of course they were jpegs; they used a digital camera. You don’t expect them to use a Polaroid, do you?”
Birther: “I still don’t trust FactCheck’s reporters. They’re not forensic experts.”
Loren: “So now you want forensic experts to examine the birth certificate?”
Birther: “Absolutely. I think the document might have been forged.”
Loren: “Based on what?”
Birther: “An anonymous guy on the internet said they’re photos of a forgery.”
Loren: “For someone so worked up over transparency, you sure put a lot of faith in anonymous guys on the internet. It really shouldn’t surprise you at this point when I say that this guy turned out to not be an expert either, and that he also lied in his analysis.”
Birther: “Doesn’t matter. I still can’t see the seal in one of the eight photos.”
Loren: “It’s a blurry photo. Do you think the FactCheck people wouldn’t notice if they were given two different documents to photograph? Why would the campaign even have two inconsistent fake documents on hand, much less give FactCheck both of them to photograph?”
Birther: “Maybe FactCheck is in on the cover-up.”
Loren: “Whatever. I’ll give you your forensic experts. If they verify it’s legit, then will you be happy?
Birther: “Not quite. I want to see the receipt from when Hawaii issued it.”
Loren: “Done. That’s enough to make you happy?”
Birther: “I also want the Hawaiian vital records registrar to formally declare that it is a valid document.”
Loren: “Okay. Now are you happy?”
Birther: “And a formal declaration from the Hawaiian governor.”
Loren: “Sure, why not. Happy yet?”
Birther: “Not yet. Because that document isn’t proof enough.”
Loren: “Not proof enough? Then why did we just spend all that time getting people to vouch for its authenticity?”
Birther: “That document is nothing more than a Certification of Live Birth. I want to see a Certificate of Live Birth.”
Loren: “Why? The Certification says he was born in Honolulu. Isn’t that good enough to prove he was born in Honolulu?”
Birther: “Hardly. The information on the Certification could be different.”
Loren: “But we already had the Hawaiian vital records people verify it.”
Birther: “Oh, right. Well, the information on the Certification could have been amended.”
Loren: “Amended to say ‘Born in Hawaii’ instead of ‘Born in Kenya’? You think Hawaii would allow that?”
Birther: “I think it’s possible. Hawaii used to make mistakes and let foreigners get birth certificates saying they were born in Hawaii.”
Loren: “When, exactly?”
Birther: “One man did it in 1904.”
Loren: “So, over a century ago. Fifty-five years before Hawaii became a state, and almost sixty years before Obama was born.”
Birther: “That’s right. The Certificate would also show the hospital he was born in.”
Loren: “We know the name of the hospital he was born in.”
Birther: “And the name of the doctor who delivered him.”
Loren: “Why would you possibly need to know the doctor’s name to verify that Obama was born in Hawaii? Of what conceivable use is that information?”
Birther: “What if Obama’s parents lied to Hawaiian officials, and claimed he was born in Hawaii, when he was actually born in Kenya. Or Canada. Or Indonesia.”
Loren: “Why is it always a foreign country? Why don’t you ever propose that he was secretly born in, say, Kansas?”
Birther: “Why would he have been born in Kansas?”
Loren: “Because his mother was born there. And it’s a lot closer than Kenya. And the hospitals are better. And they speak English.”
Birther: “Huh. I never thought of that.”
Loren: “Of course you didn’t. Anyway, what makes you think he was secretly born outside Hawaii, but his family defrauded the Hawaiian government?
Birther: “Because I think they could have. Plus, Obama’s a liar, so maybe he inherited that.”
Loren: “Alright, clearly this line is getting us nowhere. So let’s say he releases the Certificate you want. How should he release it? If he simply posted a scan online, wouldn’t you immediately accuse it of being reliable and/or forged, just like you did with the Certification?”
Birther: “Oh, certainly. Anything he releases shouldn’t be trusted unless it’s released as a physical document and reviewed and verified by a competent authority.”
Loren: “So if Obama obtained his long-form birth certificate, published it, had a judge review it, had forensic experts examine it, had Hawaiian officials vouch for it, and then everybody issued a joint, notarized press release that it was legit and he was born in Hawaii, that would be enough? You’d give up arguing that his election is illegitimate, stop filing lawsuits, and concede that he’s eligible to be President?”
Birther: “That would satisfy me that he was born in Hawaii. But that doesn’t mean he meets the Constitution definition of “natural-born citizen” and is eligible to be President.”
Loren: “So you’re begging Obama to release birth certificates, and jump through a bunch of hoops to verify them to your satisfaction, even though you admit it won’t actually stop your complaints.”
Birther: “That’s right...”