Evolution caught in the act: Scientists measure how quickly genomes change

Physorg.com ^ | January 1, 2010 | Max-Planck-Gesellschaft

[freedumb2003]

>>Steve Jones, “Darwin’s Ghost,” page 195.<<

Interesting, but the fact the author uses “Darwin” in the title means nothing. TToE focuses exclusively on the nature of changes in living things over time.

If someone chooses to bring abiogenesis into it, that is well and good but does not apply to the OP.

[freedumb2003]

>>Personally, I am more a believer in devolution. I think all the genetic information is there originally, and that some of it is lost lost or changed over time............<<

That explains nancy pelosi and barney franks to say the least.

[mamelukesabre]

For me it stopped the day I was conceived.

[PeterPrinciple]

It hasn’t. You have vestigial organs of no current use (the appendix, male teats, democrats) that are pretty clear signs that we are evolving still and shedding no longer useful parts (obviously some not quickly enough).

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If I remember, research is showing the appendix does have a useful function in fetal development . Rudimentary nipples, easy way to tell how cold it is. Democrats, you have me there...........

[freedumb2003]

>>Rudimentary nipples, easy way to tell how cold it is. <<

And they do break up the chest area for models — maybe I need to rethink this... ;)

[freedumb2003]

>>For me it stopped the day I was conceived.<<

But it starts up again when you conceive...

[Caesar Soze]

A God that *zaps* things into existence is Gandalf writ large and easy for small/primitive minds to comprehend.

Not really. Gandalf didn't zap things into existence. He was forbidden from exercising his total power as a Maia; his role was mostly to encourage and lead the free peoples. The Valar remembered well the ruin they made of Middle-earth when Ainu fought Ainu in the days before the sun and in the War of Wrath, and did not want to visit that fate on the Eruhini once more. But the prohibitions are only half the story; even a full-powered Vala like Morgoth couldn't create things ex nihilo. They were limited to working with what Iluvatar had created at the beginning of time.

[OldNavyVet]

TToE focuses exclusively on the nature of changes in living things over time.

Darwin's "Origin of the Species" contains fourteen chapters, four of which containing the words "Geological" or "Geographical."

The Jones book is a modern update of Darwin's work, and Jones' fourteen chapters duplicate Darwin's original titles.

In my opinion, the entire universe is evolving.

[StatenIsland]

“The God that created Evolution as part of a Universe that follows extremely complex rules that can be discovered and harnessed is awesome, almost beyond imagination.

A God that *zaps* things into existence is Gandalf writ large and easy for small/primitive minds to comprehend. Science in 2000 BC was unheard of except as recording empirical effects of phenomenon.

My God, who sent His Son to die for us all, created the complex Universe — and gave Man the ability to explore it, although we will never understand it all.”

Well said. Bravo, and thank you for posting.

[freedumb2003]

Thanks and Happy New Year, SI.

[freedumb2003]

>>even a full-powered Vala like Morgoth couldn’t create things ex nihilo. They were limited to working with what Iluvatar had created at the beginning of time.<<

OMG — a “Book of Lost Tales” and/or “Silmarillion” reader! I loved those books but that was the toughest set of books I ever read in my life (other than the Bible).

I meant “Gandalf” as a stand-in for an approachable, understandable Wizard.

But, now that you mention it I think I will reread those texts and try harder to apply them to the Bible (upon which they were based).

[BlueYonder]

>>And your refutation to the article is?<<

What kind of sucker falls for the line that resistance to herbicides is evidence of evolution?

[freedumb2003]

>>In my opinion, the entire universe is evolving.<<

It is and God knows (literally) into what. But He is consistent in that whatever evolves does so according to rules, even evolving rules.

I am just heading off at the pass the idea that TToE is somehow linked to abiogenesis.

Darwin was an intelligent man and I suspect his approach to Geology had more to do with the parallel observations in the Earth as seen in living creatures.

But the pursuit of the study of TToE is truly independent of Geology and the like.

[freedumb2003]

>>What kind of sucker falls for the line that resistance to herbicides is evidence of evolution?<<

One that understands science. The information is in the article. Again, your SCIENTIFIC refutation is?

[Mechanicos]

As usual the evo-theists are reaching again. It’s just adaption using that danged junk DNA already there. That’s like saying the offspring of parents who don’t look like exact copies of the parents are mutants.

[freedumb2003]

>>As usual the evo-theists are reaching again. It’s just adaption using that danged junk DNA already there. That’s like saying the offspring of parents who don’t look like exact copies of the parents are mutants.<<

You might want to actually READ the article. It is quite empirical.

[BlueYonder]

>>Again, your SCIENTIFIC refutation is?<<

There’s no need for you to repeat yourself.

When the case has been made, I will refute it. Till then, I’ve given it more attention than it deserves.

[freedumb2003]

>>When the case has been made, I will refute it. Till then, I’ve given it more attention than it deserves.<<

I appreciate your admitting you have no refutation. It is more than most will admit.

[BlueYonder]

>>I appreciate your admitting you have no refutation. <<

I can only suggest remedial reading for you. Now go away and quit wasting my time. You have chosen well your screen name.

[freedumb2003]

>>I can only suggest remedial reading for you. Now go away and quit wasting my time.<<

I read it. You admitted it.

>>You have chosen well your screen name.<<

Ad hominem at last. Well, for those with no argument, you have to find SOME refuge.