Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
Don’t fall for troll bait, look at the guys posting history, he is one of those one line zinger guys that makes a smart ass remark to stir up people and then he moves on, the guy is brainless.
Why do Palin supporters FEAR Romney? That is a troll line, not an actual inquiry or request for information.
As I said those who think they are like filthy rags will never understand...
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WHen Isaiah said that our best works were like filthy rage, he meant just that ...
easy to understand...
and Resty, all of this has been explained to you in the past by those ofd us who understand the concept...
Continual arguing about buying your way into the mormon after life by works is not going to make it so...
The God of the Bible said that works are useless and so they are...
Filthy rags are also bloody menstrual rags or pads because they were something that would be disgarded...something polluted.....legally unclean like a leper..something a Jew could not go near..was forbidden under punishment of death or banishment...
Isaiah used words that would be understood...so the people would have no trouble understanding just where their useless “works” stood with the God of the Bible...
All the works in the world for a lifetime are not enough...Salvation canmnot be bought by currying favor with God through works...
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. Isaiah 64:6
And we are all become as one unclean, and all our justices as the rag of a menstruous woman: and we have all fallen as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6 (Douay Rheims Bible)
filthy rags-literally, a “menstruous rag” (Le 15:33; 20:18; La 1:17). (Jamieson-Fausset Brown Bible Commentary)
And I missed your asking me when I heard of Palin. All I read was you implying...something about people having discussions about Palin here before this ID's entrance date. Don't complain about not getting answers to unasked questions.
I learned about Sarah Palin only with the rest of the names on McCain's potential VP list. After a little bit of reading it was pretty easy for me to win with her name in the pool - Palin was the only candidate to counter the Obama factor. She was the anti-Obama. And to a large part the anti-McCain as well. That she could deliver a speech—really connect with her audience—was an added and unexpected benefit.
As for this being an anti-Romney site, well, sometimes old sheepdogs can learn. Even the ones who deny any superiority in their position while emphasizing just that superiority.
The real question is, how many Mormon posts precede Romney's appearance on FR and do they increase after Palin is selected as VP? After that, how many Mormon posts are made by user ID's that can be associated with Palin-for-president support.
It can only be understood by the power Holy Spirit
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Then the Chrisitains in these threads have the Holy Spirit...
For we know what Isaiah mennt when he equated works to filthy rags... Isaiah 64:6
That was kind of obvious.
Much like the people who, when you confront them with the truth about something, immediately accuse you of *hate*, or being *a hater*.
It has nothing to do with hate. Or fear.
It has everything to do with control and manipulation and getting the person you don’t like to try to defend themselves against stupid and baseless accusations. And when they’re done with one, they’ll pull out another and still act like you’re lying.
Troll is right.
The question in 542 was on clean not salvation!
Please answer my question everyone wants the LDS to answer but when it comes to ansering the LDS the subject is changed!
It might be if that statement were actually true.
See post 509
They do not believe in the deity of Christ (One Trinity). That is a fact.
Yes very, very sad indeed.
There was life at freerepublic before you showed up three days before Palin was chosen for veep. People here even had discussions on Mitt Romney and other topics years before you signed up, or had ever heard of Sarah Palin.
26 posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:51:18 PM by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
So I was correct of course in post 26.
If you want to learn about FR and Mitt Romney then you could back to it's earliest days, but to save yourself time start looking at threads starting in 2006 .
It is entirely relevant to your referenced post. In it, you said that the bible was entirely true, as it was the word of God. I asked a specific question directly from Genesis.
Why are you deflecting? Can’t you answer?
you were the one who broght salvation into this:
But Salvation, saved etc. is a gift and can not be brough it is by grace no other way, all one has to do is accept the Lord’s gift! (RESTY)
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Follow the logic here, Resty.
Cleanliness has to do with salvation. God is a Holy God, and cannot abide the presence of ANY sin. Our sins make us unclean and unable to be in the presence of God.
If we are unclean, then we cannot be saved, meaning returning to the presence of God the Father for eternity.
Christians believe the ONLY way we can be made clean is by the cleansing power of the Blood of Jesus Christ shed on the Cross. Thru His sacrifice (symbolized by the animal sacrifices in the OT) which is the FINAL sacrifice, we are made clean, through faith in Jesus (not works) and able to be in the presence of God. When God see Christians, he doesn’t see our sins, he sees the righteousness of Jesus Christ, the spotless lamb.
Now please answer my question. In the above quote of yours, the gift you are referring to, is it general or specific salvation (i.e. Resurrection, or the Celestial Kingdom).
So Isaiah didn’t understand? Interesting.
You are putting words into my mouth!
I said those who think they are filthy rags...
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not putting words in your mouth at all.
I referred to Isaiah 64:4. You replied: “As I said those who think they are like filthy rags will never understand...”
Since Isaiah thought our works (and thus us) were filthy rags, then it is logical that you think Isaiah didn’t understand.
And you still didn’t answer, what is it about the whole ‘filthy rags’ thing that bugs you so much.
For me the realization that I could do nothing without Christ, that HE paid my sin IN FULL and that even baptism and “sacrament” wouldn’t take away my sin, didn’t disgust me, it made His free gift of Grace all that more amazing.
But only those with the Holy Spirit can understand that.
Because we know, of course, that politics is all about being fair. The economy tanked and we ended up with Obama as president. How fair was that to McCain? There is no fair. Not in politics. Not in Black’s (supposedly).
The real question is, how many Mormon posts precede Romney’s appearance on FR and do they increase after Palin is selected as VP?
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Actaully, quite a few. The FR “mormon war” started long before Mitt came on the scene. I’ve been on these threads off and on since I joined.
There was an increase in ‘anti-mormonism’ posts IN THE POLITICAL threads after Romney announced, but no real increase after Palin’s selection.
This isn’t about Mitt, it is about saving souls.
No, it isn't. The topic is about whether people actually think that the entire Bible should be read literally without regard to style and literary device. A specific question directly from Genesis is not the entire Bible.
My referenced post said this.....Provide me with the links to show that anyone believes that the entire Bible should be read as literal, word for word, and doesn’t recognize style, poetry, songs, parables, etc.
You're avoiding answering and changing the subject isn't hiding that.
There's really no need. Just answer the first question I posed. Or even the second.
Now I suppose I could find or write something to pull the postings off and parse through them. And I do have time on my hands, but I'm not inclined to do that much work.
That and I'm pretty sure that I'm right.
I thought the question was too silly to answer for a guy (OpeEdMunkey) that was being so hostile and refusing to consider anything before his sign up date, but the answer is that the Mormon stuff largely dried up in early 2008 and almost totally died after the Palin selection.
It seems that once Romney was defeated in the primaries that the great majority of Mormons quit posting and lost interest in freerepublic, if it is considered kosher, then I can link to prolific long term posters here that have not posted since early 2008, in other words America’s politics don’t interest them, Mormon politics do.
I don’t know what was going on in religion, because I have barely ever gone over there.
For years and I don’t know if you are a retread but many took delight in the flithy rags and as a women issue which after reading more on this it is not limited to all your johnny one note!
Filthy aka unclean can be any man or women with issue!
Lev. 15: 2-11, 16-27, 30-31, 33
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=unclean&do=Search
Not a retread deary, been here off and on since 2001 (depending upon school).
And, lol, i know unclean can be either sex (did my master’s thesis on Leprosy), but “filthy rags” speficially refer to only a “woman’s item”, however the comparison to our “righteousness” (i.e. self important works of righteousness for our own glory - like becoming a god) can apply to either sex.
Actually, I thought the Mormon assets would be far greater. If it is true that the LDS assets are a mere $25 to 30 billion, then I am NOT impressed!
Let's put this in perspective.
Harvard has an endowment of $35 billion. Harvard's assets would be much, much greater than the Mormon church if the buildings and all other property of Harvard were included in its total assets. This is merely **one** of our nation's universities.
There are a number of universities ( private and government) with endowments in the multi-billions and if their total property were counted, I would expect that the assets of many **individual** universities exceed the assets of the Mormon church.
that is the number for the “Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints”, where tithing and such is paid.
It does not include vast real estate holdings and all of the other businesses the LDS church owns under dummy corps.
Check out the book “the Mormon Corporate empire”, a little out of date but still good.
Also, since the increased use of the internet, they are losing members in droves, esp the ones here in the US. Most of their converts are from smaller, much poorer countries and this has taken a HUGE toll on their tithing income.
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