MYT engine to be demonstrated to Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)

Pure Energy Systems ^ | Nov. 18, 2009 | Sterling D. Allan

[smokingfrog]

Inventor Raphial Morgado has been invited as a guest speaker a the Oregon chapter of SAE to discuss and demonstrate his Massive Yet Tiny (MYT) engine. Also working on building 5.5-inch versions to demonstrate this 40x power-to-weight ratio engine.Inventor Raphial Morgado has been invited as a guest speaker a the Oregon chapter of SAE to discuss and demonstrate his Massive Yet Tiny (MYT) engine. Also working on building 5.5-inch versions to demonstrate this 40x power-to-weight ratio engine.

We've got several updates to report on Angel Lab's Massive Yet Tiny (MYT) engine -- the internal combustion engine with multiple firings in one cycle, producing enormous torque in a small area. With 40 times higher power-to-weight ratio, low parts count, low maintenance, high mechanical efficiency, and low pollution, the MYT™ Engine stands to benefit every engine application.

Guest Speaker at Oregon SAE

The inventor, Raphial Morgado, has been invited by the Oregon Section of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) to be the guest speaker at their annual event in Portland on March 20, 2010 from 12-2 pm. Raphial has been enthusiastic about this opportunity to present and defend his revolutionary technology before a group of engineers who know automobile engines.

[smokingfrog]

After completing the 5.5" engines, the company plans on building some 8" diameter engines that could put out as much as 400 horsepower, while weighing only 37 pounds, yet being able to replace V-6 and V-8 engines.

[12Gauge687]

More horses with less weight and size under the hood would be great; do the MYT engines come with corresponding torque?

[techcor]

Cool. Bump to read later.

[D Rider]

More horses with less weight and size under the hood would be great; do the MYT engines come with corresponding torque?

Wouldn't the trick be transferring the energy without ripping itself apart?

[Jeff Chandler]

If they could mate that engine to the Chrysler Turbo Encabulator Transmission, then they'd really have something.

[kosciusko51]

The power-to-weight ratio is less than the Space Shuttle Main Engines (73:1), so it shouldn’t be a problem.

[colinhester]

Great post!

[bvw]

It’s a cross between turbine and piston-cylinder firing engines. Cool.

[D Rider]

The power-to-weight ratio is less than the Space Shuttle Main Engines (73:1), so it shouldn’t be a problem.

I looked at the video and it is an amazing concept. But with the power and especially the torque produced, it seems the trick is in the transfer to the driveline...etc.

[glide625]

Tell me, please, that no one is believing this hocum.

[OneWingedShark]

Show me cars, airplanes, and/or boats that are USING this engine... then I’ll believe it actually exists.

[SuziQ]

SirKit says the main problem is going to be heat dispersal.

[Zathras]

My first pass assessment is the floating pistons will tend to thrust outward on compression quickly causing the cylinder walls to wear uneaven.

Heat will also be a major problem.

[kosciusko51]

In theory, power to weight ratios like this are possible, as I noted about the SSMEs. However, until a version is tested in a practical application, I will reserve judgment on its veracity.

[smokingfrog]

I think somebody posted something about this about a year ago, where the guy was looking for investors. Most of the posters seemed pretty skeptical about it then too. Perhaps this demonstration at the SAE will provide some insight one way or the other.

The way I see it, the one thing that could perhaps be quite useful about this is the fact that the engines are so small that you could easily have some type of setup where you could have multiple engines in one vehicle, and add or remove them as needed. Like a pickup truck where you would just use one engine for everyday around town driving. Going on a long trip - perhaps over the mountains and need more power? Just plug in another engine. Towing a trailer or other extra cargo? Just plug in a third engine.

[Sporaticus]

Well, I did quite a bit of internet research and remember seeing this some 4 years ago.
This thing has been around the last 4 years or more on thte internet and has not made progress. Remember, its main advantage above all else is weight. Light weight advantages start to pale in comparison to mfg. costs, reliability and a number of unique R&D problems with cooling and wear that will eat plenty of $$, years to solve.
Its a R&D nightmare for costs, metallurgy,etc.

Further, ‘inventor’ Raphiel Morgado is incapable of developing it further, he has no education past H.S.
It would seem that the inventor has been appraised of the
expense and multitude of problems that need to be solved
to develop this engine for true production, but he perserves
in promoting it nonetheless, it is his life and lifes work now.Too bad, now the unwary are being prodded to open their
pocketbooks.

[no-s]

Not that I'm defending anything, but the pistons aren't floating, they are attached to a disk. There are two disks. The pistons are offset from the plane of the disk. The disks are mounted facing and all of the pistons are in the same orbit of revolution. On the edge between the pistons, the disks form a partial chamber wall. The rest of the chamber is formed from two facing torus halves with a profusion of fins, 16 bolts, and a circular gasket - no moving parts. These parts could be pretty inexpensive. The piston disks are each mounted to independent gearing. looks like one of the disks is geared directly and the other via a shaft, concentric to the drive shaft. The disks and shafts are beefy but with respect to the power produced and the size of the widget, I would suspect there is less loss to inertia than in a conventional arrangement.

Seems likely there will be some interesting heating going on which could distort the disks or mounted chamber walls. So heat flow would be an issue. The sliding seals and rings are probably going to need materials similar to components used in turbines, which could drive up cost. OTOH, a rebuild will be pretty inexpensive in time and labor.

There's a lot of really unusual aspects to this system. I'd like to get one into a shop and take a really hard look at it. Seems like it would be fairly easy to build one in a machine shop. Should be easy to measure versus modeling it.

[Zathras]

Your right!
The Wankel looked strange when it came out too but it worked.

Thanks for the correction.

[dangerdoc]

I was following this company about 5 years ago, and posted about it here a few times.

When they first hit the internet, they had a pretty vibrant forum. They had a person who represented himself as an engineer to answer questions and there was a lot of information passed back and forth.

A number of engineering students joined the forum and started asking questions that were never answered. As they delved into the diagrams and started to doing calculations, the claims started looking impossible, when the questions turned into demands for proof, the forum disappeared with a note that the forum was being moved to a new server and would be back up in a couple of days. It’s been awhile since I’ve looked at their site, but the same message is probably still there.

I’m amazed that he is still promising to build that working model, he was finishing that thing up early in the last Bush term.

It sounds cool but one thing that an engineer brought up that really hit home, a 700 kilowatt engine (the 8 inch model) has to dissapate 1.4 megawats of heat. The inventer claimed it would not need liquid cooling.

[glide625]

I guess we can only hope something like this will come to pass.