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Ft. Hood suspect remains in coma
Yahoo-AP ^ | 11/6/09 | LARA JAKES

Posted on 11/06/2009 12:34:13 PM PST by Pontiac

AP story says Hasan used a "5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol".

I guess Hasan is a Manly-Man.

Talk about a hand cannon!

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To: Pontiac

theyre about $750 at Gander Mountain or Cabelas.


101 posted on 11/06/2009 2:43:51 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

you cant readily buy the AP rounds for this gun in the USA. You can purchase a denuded 5.7 round that is no better than shooting a 20 shot hight velocity 22 pistol.

Its not the choice of someone who knows anything about guns.


102 posted on 11/06/2009 2:45:51 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Pontiac

anyone caught with the gun and the AP version of that round is committing a federal felony.

the 5.7 for sale at gun stores are roughly good enough for small game hunting. I imagine he read in a book that it was originally an armor piercing round and took his advice from some gunstore commando who wanted to sell him an expensive pistol and some expensive ammo.


103 posted on 11/06/2009 2:49:13 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Pontiac

PC will get us all killed.


104 posted on 11/06/2009 2:50:31 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: Hodar

The US Army will get him. They will court martial him and God willing, put his ass in front of a firing squad in a few years..


105 posted on 11/06/2009 2:50:49 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

It was Muzzie doctors that tried to blow up planes in Scotland a few years ago.


106 posted on 11/06/2009 2:51:50 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: Pontiac

I can order them from my distributors. I’m not sure about availability, but they run about $880.00 DEALER cost.They have been available to civilians since they came out.Ammo is fairly cheap too.I only see lead free hollow points or v-max varmint loads tho, no “cop killers”.


107 posted on 11/06/2009 2:53:53 PM PST by pawnshop dave
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To: Armedanddangerous
Its not the choice of someone who knows anything about guns.

The evidence would belie that.

108 posted on 11/06/2009 3:00:36 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

well, I can bet you that if that scumbag had a 9mm or a 40 cal pistol loaded with hollowpoints, the number of victims would have been substantially increased.

IF he had access to armor piercing ammo, that gun would have been a good choice, but right now it’s unclear whether he did or didnt.

It seems clear that he had help choosing that gun. Probably from some idiot terrorist cell leader.


109 posted on 11/06/2009 3:09:59 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: seven.sixtwo

Had seen your pic before, pretty appropriate when it comes to reporters (journalists).

Had lunch today with my brother. He told me after lunch what he thought Obozo’s intent with us was. I agreed, and I told him “not going to happen here in Texas”. He agreed. My father is 84 and was an armorer while in Europe in WWII. He is one of the resistors, too.

Too many like us. Too many armed. And too many hard case X-mil to allow them to pull it off.

I think 85% of the active duty military would not allow that to happen.

They had best look into the Abyss that they are approaching and think long and hard about the consequences. They are serious consequences.


110 posted on 11/06/2009 3:15:32 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: GI Joe Fan

Who has jurisdiction, Texas or the Army ?


111 posted on 11/06/2009 3:18:18 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Sudetenland
“NOT a “specialty gun.”” I am not quite sure why my statement caused you frustration. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. I may have chosen the wrong words. I have a Tokarev pistol that fires an 85gr .30 cal bullet at around 1700fps, the way that I put together my cartridges. The Russians basically copied and simplified Brownings .45 auto design but chose to go with a smaller but faster projectile. This is a much different approach than what the US Army went with. I have had lively discussions on other forums about the Tokarev’s stopping power.

The Tokarev has approximately 560J of energy at the muzzle compared with the .45 auto's 702J but the bullet is traveling at approximately 1700fps as opposed to around a 1080fps for the .45. It doesn't make as big a hole, but the Tokarev has some serious penetration. I have read the bullet will go through a Kevlar vest and still penetrate 12” of ballistic gel.

My main point here is that the guy probably carefully chose his weapon. They are pretty expensive, the ammo almost always would have to be special ordered, and the gun is not all that common or a very popular choice. There is a good chance that the research was as simple finding out which pistol has the highest capacity magazines and will penetrate body armor. He may also have taken into consideration that the projectile would penetrate two or three people when shot into a crowd. If he just had “lost it” like the media has been trying to say; I think it is much more likely that he would have chosen a more common caliber. Going against conventional wisdom on his choice of weapon indicates to me that he chose his tool carefully. I am not sure why that assumption irritates you. I do a lot of research on all of the tools that I own as well.

112 posted on 11/06/2009 4:17:20 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I think that most of the USA will respond similarly to what you depict in Texas, and I believe that they know it, and thus will not try anything - other than stuff like job creation, that is.


113 posted on 11/06/2009 4:40:23 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: fireman15
Each of the major networks had a story about his choice of weapon -- and each station showed the Killeen store named, GUNS GALORE. The owner, when shown a photograph, remembered Dr. Hasan, but refused to be interviewed or shown on camera.

Also, in several postings today, it's been pointed out that colleagues wondered why he was so obsessed about handgun skills and wondered why he had so many hours of training in same -- I hope there will soon be a news article devoted to this specific subject, why a doc is obsessed with handgun skills, a psychiatrist no less.

114 posted on 11/06/2009 4:44:33 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: CommerceComet
How about the Army take this POS back to Fort Hood, blindfold him, put against a brick wall, and ask for volunteers?

Helicopter ride?

115 posted on 11/06/2009 4:53:58 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Pontiac

>>”....FN Five-Seven was not available for civilian purchase.”<<

My civilian buddy recently purchased a matched pair (consecutive serial numbers) from gunbroker.com. The usual transfer paperwork, no problem.

It’s not the weapon that is of concern. The “cop-killer” ammo is only available to LEO’s.


116 posted on 11/06/2009 6:58:33 PM PST by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: Travis McGee

ping


117 posted on 11/06/2009 7:00:55 PM PST by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: Tallguy
Helicopter ride?

As long as they carefully strap him in. It would be a real shame if he were to fall out.

118 posted on 11/06/2009 7:37:13 PM PST by CommerceComet
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To: CommerceComet

Maybe they could just walk him by the tail rotor, if you get my drift.


119 posted on 11/06/2009 7:42:58 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Pontiac

Is this true? Was the weapon he used this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Five-seveN_USG.jpg

If that is the case, he was definitely a calculating terrorist. This is not a common weapon anyone would purchase or own, let alone a MD in the Army. I was a MD in the military, and none of use owned handguns like this. This is a very special weapon, not just the sort of weapon you would just happen to be your first purchase to protect your home being a MD on a Military Base. This guy had an agenda, and intended to kill.

Anyone thinking he is a victim is way out in left field. What a bunch of crapola! If Klinger on M*A*S*H tried to get kicked out of the Amy by trying to fool the psychiatrists, you would have thought this guy could have gotten out at any time: he was a psychiatrist himself, fully capable of understanding the ingredients and recipes (signs and symptoms) to have another doctor truly believe that he wanted out of the Army.

This fact that this guy waited this long to do what he did, and the fact that he had to re-load to shoot as many people as he did, and the fact that he performed this act where he did it, is proof purchase that he planned this. He thought of himself as a suicide killer, a terrorist killer, screaming to his Muslim God as he murdered American soldiers. And people think he is the victim?...??? Get a clue!

Now, we’ll have to deal with the endless construction of special programs to interview soldiers of foreign ancestry to see if they are on the edge of sanity. And to think, that these tests and analysis measures will be monitored by psychiatrists like this terrorist who, in the end, only wanted to kill US American soldiers. If he really wanted to get out, he could have. While I was a MD in the military, I witnessed several MD’s claiming they could not take the military way of life, and each brought suits against the military and all got out; conveniently after they had their training paid for by the very institution they claimed they could not live with. But they all were successful in getting out. The military does not desire to waste time with MD’s who are a waste of time, effort, and moral. So, the fact that this guy was still in the Army, and then decided to murder American Soldiers, is in my book, makes him a terrorist. This guy is about as much as a victim as Hitler being a victim of the Nazi’s SS.

I think that American soldiers are going to have to sleep with the eyes open now, if they are around middle eastern soldiers, and this is probably this guys ultimate goal, he probably really understood the ultimate terror to inflict upon American soldiers, making them distrust anyone around them who did no grow up on Main Street USA. If you ask me, I think this guy, put together the ultimate terrorist activity to inflict the greatest harm on American soil, exactly because he was a psychiatrist, fully capable of understanding the way the human mind works, and fully understanding of the horrible effect it would have for years to come in the US military. You cannot argue that this guy was the victim. Today, the US military way of life, it’s very core is the victim. The institution designed to keep us safe, to defend and protect the United States, it’s citizens, and it’s government, all are the victim today. Anytime somebody performs a terrorist act on American soil, means that we lose our freedom, our liberty, and our way of life.

That is terrible to think of, and that is terrorism. Anything less is sticking your head in the sand.


120 posted on 11/06/2009 8:55:30 PM PST by MajorThomas
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